What Spidey villains are eye candy?

Originally posted by Keehar
The villains as they were drawn in Stan Lee's day looked rather goofy. It was Stan's fab writing of them that made them a success.

The arguement was that the main reason Venom is liked is because he's eye candy.

Yes, one argument was that the main reason Venom is liked is his looks, but along with that was the argument the Doc Ock and Goblin are NOT liked mainly for their looks (as is your opinion). That's why I posted this poll (although almost no one has voted). I know my opinion and yours and a few others, but I wanted to see what the general trend was.

And for the few of you that haven't voted because the poll doesn't have other villains, this poll has nothing to do with the other villains. Actually, my favorite-looking Spiderman villain is Swarm. The discussion (mostly in the Raimi thread) is just about these three big villains and why people like them. Plus there are only a maximum of 10 choices for a poll, so I could have only squeezed one more villain in and we could probably talk all day about top villain #4.

Non of them is an eye candy. You guys honestly believe that Venom is popular because he looks cool??🤨 It is true that many fans like him because he's like a dark side of Spider-man but that doesn't have anything to with the way he looks, its about what he represents. And personally I like him because I like the character, and I do not really like the way he looked when he first appeared. So stop bashing the character just because lots of fans believe him to be Spider-man's arch enemy. You like Ock better? fine. You like Goblin better? Fine. But stop acting childish.

Originally posted by Wade Wilson
Non of them is an eye candy. You guys honestly believe that Venom is popular because he looks cool??🤨 It is true that many fans like him because he's like a dark side of Spider-man but that doesn't have anything to with the way he looks, its about what he represents. And personally I like him because I like the character, and I do not really like the way he looked when he first appeared. So stop bashing the character just because lots of fans believe him to be Spider-man's arch enemy. You like Ock better? fine. You like Goblin better? Fine. But stop acting childish.

Nah.

Originally posted by Wade Wilson
Non of them is an eye candy.

You are right. I should have made a "None of the three" vote. If there are any moderators out there skulking, you could add that. If not, I will mentally tally that.

Originally posted by Wade Wilson
Non of them is an eye candy. You guys honestly believe that Venom is popular because he looks cool??🤨 It is true that many fans like him because he's like a dark side of Spider-man but that doesn't have anything to with the way he looks, its about what he represents. And personally I like him because I like the character, and I do not really like the way he looked when he first appeared. So stop bashing the character just because lots of fans believe him to be Spider-man's arch enemy. You like Ock better? fine. You like Goblin better? Fine. But stop acting childish.

I like what you said here. It seems to me that some Ock and GG fans are just a little bent out of shape because they think lowly of Venom, yet his character is so successful.

Originally posted by werehawk
Yes, one argument was that the main reason Venom is liked is his looks, but along with that was the argument the Doc Ock and Goblin are NOT liked mainly for their looks (as is your opinion). That's why I posted this poll (although almost no one has voted). I know my opinion and yours and a few others, but I wanted to see what the general trend was.

I don't think you'd need a poll to tell you the answer to that. When people talk about the greatness of those two villains, they usually talk about the dastardly deeds they've done. Not their powers or costumes.

With Venom, it's always stuff about how he can kick Spidey's ass, how he has Spidey's powers, and how he looks badass.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
I like what you said here. It seems to me that some Ock and GG fans are just a little bent out of shape because they think lowly of Venom, yet his character is so successful.

But that's just it, there is nothing to be jealous of with Venom. He has a lousy history in the comics, he was terrible in the movies. Where is the success?

If you mean his popularity, what good has that done him?

Originally posted by Keehar
With Venom, it's always stuff about how he can kick Spidey's ass, how he has Spidey's powers, and how he looks badass.

And you have a problem with this?

Originally posted by Keehar
But that's just it, there is nothing to be jealous of with Venom. He has a lousy history in the comics, he was terrible in the movies. Where is the success?

The success is with the fans obviously. Like I have said earlier, and I will say it simpler, different writing attracts different people.

Originally posted by Keehar
If you mean his popularity, what good has that done him?

It has earned him alot of media appearances.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
And you have a problem with this?

Of course not. It just reaffirms my opinion about the character.

The success is with the fans obviously. Like I have said earlier, and I will say it simpler, different writing attracts different people.

That's true. But as others have mentioned, Venom seems to mainly attract the kids.

It has earned him alot of media appearances.

It has? You mean like in movies and cartoons?

Originally posted by Keehar
I don't think you'd need a poll to tell you the answer to that. When people talk about the greatness of those two villains, they usually talk about the dastardly deeds they've done. Not their powers or costumes.

With Venom, it's always stuff about how he can kick Spidey's ass, how he has Spidey's powers, and how he looks badass.

Yet, most of what you said is opinion (well, your opinions on what other people think). A poll goes right to the source and bypasses the vocal minorities (i.e. the Venom fans and the anti-Venom fans...no pun intended).

Originally posted by Keehar
That's true. But as others have mentioned, Venom seems to mainly attract the kids.

You're going to have to define what you mean by "kids"

Almost everything about Spider-Man, nowadays, will attract kids no matter what it is.

Originally posted by Keehar
It has? You mean like in movies and cartoons?

Movies, tv shows, games, and whatever else qualifies as entertainment.

Originally posted by werehawk
Yet, most of what you said is opinion (well, your opinions on what other people think). A poll goes right to the source and bypasses the vocal minorities (i.e. the Venom fans and the anti-Venom fans...no pun intended).

Just going by experiences of myself, and others, too. As someone else mentioned if you ask the average kid what do they love about Venom, they'll give you the basic shallow answers about his powers, how he's a dark Spider-Man, and he looks cool.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
You're going to have to define what you mean by "kids"

The younger generation of Spidey fans, of course.

Movies, tv shows, games, and whatever else qualifies as entertainment.

Yeah, that goes for most of the Spidey villains.

For some bizarre reason Rhino seems to be a favourite to use in practically every Spidey game. I never understood why. Good fodder for a fight, I suppose.

And Venom appeared in only two out of the five seasons of the 90's animated series. And his movie appearance is a joke.

Originally posted by Keehar
The younger generation of Spidey fans, of course.

Of which I can tell you're a part of.

Originally posted by Keehar
Yeah, that goes for most of the Spidey villains.

For some bizarre reason Rhino seems to be a favourite to use in practically every Spidey game. I never understood why. Good fodder for a fight, I suppose.

And Venom appeared in only two out of the five seasons of the 90's animated series. And his movie appearance is a joke.

And some how, joke or not, Venom still ended up on the big screen with still a movie plan in the works in his own name. This is more than what any other Spidey villain has accomplished other than GG, Ock, and Sandman.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001

And some how, joke or not, Venom still ended up on the big screen with still a movie plan in the works in his own name. This is more than what any other Spidey villain has accomplished other than GG, Ock, and Sandman.

Ah well now come on, mate. They've only made three Spidey movies so far. You can only fit so many villains in.

In fact, one of the reasons Spider-Man 3 was so bad is because they had too many villains.

Originally posted by Wade Wilson
Non of them is an eye candy. You guys honestly believe that Venom is popular because he looks cool??🤨 It is true that many fans like him because he's like a dark side of Spider-man but that doesn't have anything to with the way he looks, its about what he represents. And personally I like him because I like the character, and I do not really like the way he looked when he first appeared. So stop bashing the character just because lots of fans believe him to be Spider-man's arch enemy. You like Ock better? fine. You like Goblin better? Fine. But stop acting childish.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
I like what you said here. It seems to me that some Ock and GG fans are just a little bent out of shape because they think lowly of Venom, yet his character is so successful.

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
And you have a problem with this?

You just contradicted yourself. You first stated that you agreed with his point about Venom not being eye candy, then you just admitted that he is, and asked what was wrong with that.

not for nothing, but Venom's been a fellow protagonist or antagonist in all the recent Spidey videogames

Spider-man 3
Spider-man: Friend or Foe
Spider-man: Web of Shadows

and older games like:
Ultimate Spider-man
Spider-man: Separation Anxiety
Spider-man: Maximum Carnage

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
You just contradicted yourself. You first stated that you agreed with his point about Venom not being eye candy, then you just admitted that he is, and asked what was wrong with that.

I agreed to no such thing. Obviously Venom is great looking, I have agreed to this much. The statement was made that Venom is liked mostly for his appearance and I merely asked that if that is the case with most fans, what's the problem with it?

Originally posted by Phoenix2001
I agreed to no such thing. Obviously Venom is great looking, I have agreed to this much. The statement was made that Venom is liked mostly for his appearance and I merely asked that if that is the case with most fans, what's the problem with it?

Looks aren't everything.

Originally posted by harri
you ock and goblin fans can say all that, but i believe venom is more popular with comic fans on a whole

Nope.

Originally posted by SpyCspider
not for nothing, but Venom's been a fellow protagonist or antagonist in all the recent Spidey videogames

Spider-man 3
Spider-man: Friend or Foe
Spider-man: Web of Shadows

and older games like:
Ultimate Spider-man
Spider-man: Separation Anxiety
Spider-man: Maximum Carnage

Because the creators are Marvel workers, and Marvel has become very biased towards Venom lately.