thread says high end for both which would negate any neutral realm issues. both are splinter realm rulers, both appear to be below odin (though not too far below--even with twilight surtur was only=odin) and both have at least one exceptional feat (mephisto stalemated galactus in hell, surtur destroyed an entire galaxy to build the forge he used to create twilight). mephisto has a larger realm though (or so it seems to me) so my inclination would be to say mephisto would take it--barely--but it's likely closer to a draw scenario.
this is assuming "high end" does NOT mean surtur has thesword. with the sword he wins.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Surtur was only equal to Odin once he lost Twilight, even Odin mentions this.
show me. he used the sword to prevent odin accessing the full odin-power--which is why he was above him. once odin WAS able to summon his full power he was a match for surtur.
and no . . . surtur is NOT greater than odin . . .
Originally posted by leonidas
show me. he used the sword to prevent odin accessing the full odin-power--which is why he was above him. once odin WAS able to summon his full power he was a match for surtur.and no . . . surtur is NOT greater than odin . . .
Surtur was far superior when he was suppressing Odin's access to the odinforce. When Surtur dropped his sword and his link to the eternal flame was severed Odin mentions that he can no longer suppress his power and that they are "evenly matched"
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Surtur was far superior when he was suppressing Odin's access to the odinforce. When Surtur dropped his sword and his link to the eternal flame was severed Odin mentions that he can no longer suppress his power and that they are "evenly matched"
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they fought 1on1 for most of an issue and NEITHER was able to get an upperhand. even surtur couldn't believe odin was matching him--AND the blade was drawing power from the flame. their battle was a draw--odin was blocked from growing to surtur's size, but then odin in turn blocked surtur from actually drawing power from the flame! his inability to defeat odin was the reason surtur had to summon the power of the casket of ancient winters to hold odin while he tried to light the blade. that was a GREAT showing for odin in that 1on1 battle.
surtur even admits that before the blade odin was more powerful than he was . . .
the blade makes them about equal. odin>surtur without sword (obviously or surtur would rule the nine worlds, not odin . . .)
regardless, in this fight i still give it to mephisto unless surtur has the blade.
Originally posted by leonidas
🤨they fought 1on1 for most of an issue and NEITHER was able to get an upperhand. even surtur couldn't believe odin was matching him--AND the blade was drawing power from the flame. their battle was a draw--odin was blocked from growing to surtur's size, but then odin in turn blocked surtur from actually drawing power from the flame! his inability to defeat odin was the reason surtur had to summon the power of the casket of ancient winters to hold odin while he tried to light the blade. that was a GREAT showing for odin in that 1on1 battle.
surtur even admits that before the blade odin was more powerful than he was . . .
the blade makes them about equal. odin>surtur without sword (obviously or surtur would rule the nine worlds, not odin . . .)
regardless, in this fight i still give it to mephisto unless surtur has the blade.
Yeah, I reread the issue before and even Surtur exclaims that Odin's power is "beyond belief" However, Odin is standing in the middle of asgard with his scepter and channelling the power of his fallen brothers. He is also using his full power when he temporarily encases Surtur in an aura of energy and stops his ability to regenerate.
There are both incidents where they are displayed as superior to one another, but in the end Odin chose to take his own life in order to stop him. [speculation] I doubt that someone as wise as Odin would give his own life to stop Surtur if it was within his own power to do so, without dying [/speculation]
And as we saw later on in Thor v2, Odin gave his own life to temporarily beat Surtur. And Surtur had just taken on Thor + Designate.
Having the down as equals is reasonable in my book.