Originally posted by vlaaad12345
after he and kismet combined they bumrushed into imperiex...he died and was reborn since it wasn't his time to permanantley stay dead,it takes place on darkseids planet like 1/2 issues after kyle contains imperxes energies.
Ah, right. AOS 595 for anyone curious. Superman's kinda in a half-alive half dead state (having the option to go either way). It does mention a blue halo of entropy...then goes on to say something about him being in a place that's not entropy and not reality. Sort of speed-read through that and got definitions mixed up.
He dies in the halo of entropy then is transported somewhere outside the universe where he gets the choice from kismet hence the not reality not entropy part,blue halo of entropy is obviously imperiexs blue energies that he took a nosedive through,considering superman was at the time bonded with kismet(who has cosmic knowledge)im going to take his statement of entropy rather seriously.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
He dies in the halo of entropy then is transported somewhere outside the universe where he gets the choice from kismet hence the not reality not entropy part,blue halo of entropy is obviously imperiexs blue energies that he took a nosedive through.
RightokayImperiex'senergyisentropyclearlycanwemoveonnowplease?
Let's talk about Ion. 😄
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Not much to say eternity and the celestials are the only real threats here,I can see classic ion winning against eternity idk exactly how he will win against the celestials since its nearly impossible to actually kill them.
You don't think Lord Order and Master Chaos and Mistress Love and Sire hate will be able to toy with his emotions and throw off his willpower and concentration? Or Chronos go back in time to screw with him even beating Nero to claim the full Ion power? Or the I-B pulling some weird shit like summoning Parallax? Or Eternity, who wields infinite power himself challenging him power-wise - along with everyone else pouring it on?
There's plenty of ways for him to lose here.
Ahem. Parallax's power was basically the same as Ion had, but a lesser amount. We saw what he did. And we know for a fact that Ion was more powerful.
Toy with the emotions of a god? hysterical He's beyond willpower at that point. Time? HA! Ion was omnipresent in time and he not only offered to prevent Hal Jordan from becoming The Spectre, Hal said that he could easily do it, but that it wasn't his place to make that decision.
Parallax is a non-factor, given the level of power Ion wielded. Eternity is also a non-issue, given that Kyle's power gives the ability to just blink him out.
You are saying mere abstracts, can defeat a being on par with, or greater than the IG. 👇
Originally posted by Enyalus
You don't think Lord Order and Master Chaos and Mistress Love and Sire hate will be able to toy with his emotions and throw off his willpower and concentration? Or Chronos go back in time to screw with him even beating Nero to claim the full Ion power? Or the I-B pulling some weird shit like summoning Parallax? Or Eternity, who wields infinite power himself challenging him power-wise - along with everyone else pouring it on?There's plenty of ways for him to lose here.
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
1. Ahem. Parallax's power was basically the same as Ion had, but a lesser amount. We saw what he did. And we know for a fact that Ion was more powerful.2. Toy with the emotions of a god? hysterical He's beyond willpower at that point.
3. Time? HA! Ion was omnipresent in time and he not only offered to prevent Hal Jordan from becoming The Spectre, Hal said that he could easily do it, but that it wasn't his place to make that decision.
4. Parallax is a non-factor, given the level of power Ion wielded. Eternity is also a non-issue, given that Kyle's power gives the ability to just blink him out.
5. You are saying mere abstracts, can defeat a being on par with, or greater than the IG. 👇
I took the liberty of numbering your points so I can dismantle them without excessive quoting:
1) If you're going to use Zero Hour Parallax as the standard for comparison - don't. He absorbed chronal and entropic energies as well as the Oan power. Final Night or Rebirth Parallax? Fine. As far as Ion having a 'lesser' amount of power...
Read that. Parallax left a small amount of his power. And it combined with Oblivion's. So how much more powerful than Parallax could he be? Keep in mind that the second version of Ion (when he has the Starheart) is stated on panel to be more powerful than the first.
2) Baseless speculation. He says he can do whatever he thinks of now. Well, you're going to have issues thinking and concentrating while your emotions are a wreck. Even Thanos was briefly affected by that brand of assault - and he was God.
3) He was omnipresent in the current timeline. He stated that he could alter events in the past from the present (by manipulating the fabric of time.) Compare that with the abstractual embodiment of time in the form of Chronos...then factor in that Ion had all of about a week to learn how to use his powers. No, Chronos' attack would f*ck him up, too.
4) Blink out Eternity? Deal with Parallax casually? Did you even read the classic Ion run? Stop spewing this baseless nonsense or at least attempt to back it up.
5) Except he's NOT anywhere close to the IG in power. Thanos was omnipotent. Only beneath the LT in power. Ion was not omnipotent. From his own words:
Nearly unlimited power. He's not omnipotent. And that matches up perfectly with what Highfather says in Genesis:
Eternity alone has all the power that ever was, is, or will be in the 616 reality. His power is infinite. Ion's is not.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Thing is all those guys would basically get shitcanned from the word go,and your really not going to screw with ion via time...he kind of had time powers good to go considering he existed everywhere at once and held all the strings of time and could change them however he wanted,ion is stronger then parallax and I don't recall I-B ever summoning a being of parallaxes power.
Ion could exist everywhere in the present. And can manipulate time or travel through time, yes. But we're talking about the abstract Chronos, the embodiment of time itself. And again, Ion's had about a week to adjust to his power.
As for the IB thing...he's summoned Death before. Doesn't get much more powerful than that.
And as soon as you present chronos actually doing anything that is beyond ions time manipulation ill start believing he can do something otherwise ion is going to be fine and can just blast chronos in the face and end it early,and we know ion was stronger then parallax because he also had the guardians energies+he overcame the energy that parallax considered the most destructive force in existence oblivion was also no joke as well.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
And as soon as you present chronos actually doing anything that is beyond ions time manipulation ill start believing he can do something
Why don't you present Ion doing anything related to time manipulation? I'll save you the trouble - you can't, because he never does anything with it. He says he can do it. He has no feats to support it.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
and we know ion was stronger then parallax because he also had the guardians energies+he overcame the energy that parallax considered the most destructive force in existence oblivion was also no joke as well.
Parallax has all of the Central Power Battery. Ion has some of that, the Guardians energies, and Oblivion's power (which is an aspect of Kyle's own subconsciousness.)
I'm not debating whether Ion was stronger than Parallax. By statements in GL #145, it basically says he is.
As for the thread, Ion gets stomped by this team.
Besides making himself exist simultaneously at every point in his current timeline...seriously dude give that argument up it doesn't much better then being able to be everywhere at once and his and spectres conversation practically outright confirms kyle can do what he wants with time,those energies combined and grew to become more then their original parts that much was rather obvious it even says it when kyle was explaining it to alan scott jade ect.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Besides making himself exist simultaneously at every point in his current timeline...
He could exist in multiple points of space along his timeline. He did not exist everywhere simultaneously. Or did you see an issue where the whole of space was populated by Kyle Rayners?
I liken it to a limited form of Cosmic Awareness.
Why does that matter, by the way? Two Ions do not equal twice the full Ion power. The power is split between however many versions of him exist at once.
I hope you wouldn't say that if he decided to become fifty Ions, he wouldn't be wielding the combined power of fifty Central Power Batteries (or Ion force, or whatever you'd like to call it.)
The narative litterally says he is EVERYWHERE at once that he is a part of it all and there was no mention of any power splitting,my point is he wasn't bound by time or space could exists simultaneously at any point in the timeline and could alter time how he wants,chronos doesn't exactly have a bunch of feats saying he could mess with someone with that much time power.
Originally posted by vlaaad12345
The narative litterally says he is EVERYWHERE at once that he is a part of it all and there was no mention of any power splitting,my point is he wasn't bound by time or space could exists simultaneously at any point in the timeline and could alter time how he wants,chronos doesn't exactly have a bunch of feats saying he could mess with someone with that much time power.
I'll comment on the first part later, after I carefully reread things.
And while I'm inclined to think Ion would drive off Chronos, he did surprise Thanos w/ IG initially (mainly because Thanos' attention was divided, as it would be here.)
You're still ignoring the fact that Kyle's power is based on will, and enacted at the speed of thought. And you have at least four beings on the field who can royally screw with his emotional state. While other massively powerful cosmic entities like Eternity and Galactus and Stranger and IB pour on frontal attacks.
He goes down. 😬
