Dooku vs Anakin vs Obi wan

Originally posted by DarkSideisMeth
Gideon has this one entirely down. Anyone who's read ROTS novel knows that Anakin totally ****s Dooku up royally, now granted Dooku was exhausted from fighting both Obi and Anakin-but Dooku obviously had no chance. His proficency with Form II against Anakin means nothing, because, like Gideon said, Anakin wasn't tiring, Anakin for perhaps the first time was fully realizing his abilities and allowing anger to totally drive his saber.

Dooku got ****ed up, Anakin was as angry as a Raped Ape

I've read the novel. Dooku actually had the upper hand towards the end when he taunted Anakin, causing him to shift his focus from winning the battle to controlling himself. Dooku even notes that Anakin "had lost his edge" and that Dooku "allowed himself to relax; he felt that spirit of playfulness coming over him again." It was only when Palpatine called to Anakin to call upon his fury and focus it that Anakin was able to win.

But Palpatine isn't here in this scenario.

Originally posted by Forum Ninja
I was under the impression that the Tatooine duel was a tie and from viewing it, It looks that way. Can you explain why you believe Anakin won that duel? I'm just curious. He could have. I may be examining it incorrectly.

See for yourself.

In terms of Canon, where does this fight stand? And it seemed pretty even with a saber, with Dooku pwning Anakin with the force.

TCW's right under the movies as far as canon goes.

Dooku demonstrated a superior command of the Force. But he did lose the duel and he was trying his hardest regarding the lightsaber clashing.

Really?

Out of curiosity, where was that stated?

From what I saw, Dooku showed superior prowess with the force and his lightsaber.

Originally posted by Gideon
Dooku demonstrated a superior command of the Force. But he did lose the duel and he was trying his hardest regarding the lightsaber clashing.

Lmao.

Yes. Nice "defeat" there. Let's ignore how Dooku puts Anakin on his ass with a force push, then lowers his weapon to show Anakin a hologram of the Padawan getting owned. Despite of that, he still manages to fend off Anakins assault using his left hand only before he get's put on his ass - while keeping his lightsaber in hand. Yes. Anakin completely owned him on Tatooine - ROFL.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
Really?

Yes.

Out of curiosity, where was that stated?

The Clone Wars Visual Dictionary has an entry about the duel on Tattooine. It mentions that Dooku revealed the hologram of Ahsoka to distract Anakin in order to "regain the upper hand."

Originally posted by Gideon
The Clone Wars Visual Dictionary has an entry about the duel on Tattooine. It mentions that Dooku revealed the hologram of Ahsoka to distract Anakin in order to "regain the upper hand." [/B]

Which makes much sense, considering he just force raped him in the second before that happens... 🙄

"Force rape"?

Not really. I'd point out that the double standard is quite pronounced; Anakin simply "knocked Dooku on his ass" (thus in your eyes, not a legitimate defeat), yet I'd point out that that was all Dooku did to Anakin. As well as Mace to Sidious. I suppose, then, none of those instances qualifies as a legitimate victory?

I'm sorry if you don't like the source or its conclusions, Nai, but I would suggest taking it up with LFL. But the bottom line is that Dooku clearly attempted to fight to the best of his ability and, while he demonstrated a superior command of the Force, he was overpowered and knocked aside.

Originally posted by Gideon
"Force rape"?

Not really. I'd point out that the double standard is quite pronounced; Anakin simply "knocked Dooku on his ass" (thus in your eyes, not a legitimate defeat), yet I'd point out that that was all Dooku did to Anakin.

Originally posted by Publius II
Three times, in close combat, when Anakin wasn't using one hand to hold up a holodisc and mocking his opponent.

The Clone Wars Visual Dictionary has an entry about the duel on Tattooine. It mentions that Dooku revealed the hologram of Ahsoka to distract Anakin in order to "regain the upper hand."

I'm sorry if you don't like the source or its conclusions, Nai Faunus, but I would suggest taking it up with LFL. But the bottom line is that Dooku clearly attempted to fight to the best of his ability and, while he demonstrated a superior command of the Force, he was overpowered and knocked aside.

Edit: Just so we're clear, I was referring to the lightsaber duel, not the mini-Force battle, since it was explicitly clear that Dooku demonstrated superiority. So out of those "three strikes", Dooku really only scored one with a lightsaber.

Originally posted by Gideon
"Force rape"?

Not really. I'd point out that the double standard is quite pronounced; Anakin simply "knocked Dooku on his ass" (thus in your eyes, not a legitimate defeat), yet I'd point out that that was all Dooku did to Anakin. As well as Mace to Sidious. I suppose, then, none of those instances qualifies as a legitimate victory?

Excuse me. Was Anakin busy holding a holodisc in one of his hand and thus clearly wasn't in a position to defend himself from the upcoming attack with "all he could" ? No. Thanks, Sir. Was Sidious busy holding a holodisc when Mace did disarm him? No? Holy shit. So can you please show me the "double standard" in my post? Or would you rather like to do some reality check on the scene and try to explain me how Dooku should have "tried his best" when holding his weapon with his off hand while holding a holodisc in his main weapon hand?

I'm sorry if you don't like the source or its conclusions, Nai, but I would suggest taking it up with LFL. But the bottom line is that Dooku clearly attempted to fight to the best of his ability and, while he demonstrated a superior command of the Force, he was overpowered and knocked aside.

...while still holding a freaking holodisc in his hand and holding his weapon in his offhand. So d'oh. That is not a "conclusion" that I don't like - it's freaking obvious that you can't "do your best" while weakening yourself in the very same moment.

And please quote the source instead of just mentioning it to make a point. This would be rather helpful, you know? "The RotS novel mentions that Dooku was about to destroy Anakin with 10 % of his power", doesn't happen to be a valid point (and it would be a lie anyway).

Originally posted by Gideon
Edit: Just so we're clear, I was referring to the lightsaber duel, not the mini-Force battle, since it was explicitly clear that Dooku demonstrated superiority. So out of those "three strikes", Dooku really only scored one with a lightsaber.

I don't own it.

Originally posted by Gideon
I don't own it.

Anyway, I'm not trying to ignore the passage in any way, it just makes no sense at all given what we see.

Not really.

The statement doesn't contradict the fact that Dooku displayed superiority through the Force (which could enable him to defeat Skywalker). But he really didn't demonstrate considerable superiority in a strict lightsaber sense.

Besides, take a damn good look at what the Clone Wars series has done to the Separatists.

Ahsoka takes out three Magnaguards, Kit Fisto defeats General Grievous, Ahsoka takes on Grievous, Ahsoka and Luminara take on Asajj and drive her off, Dooku is disarmed by a couple of pirates. Not only is the Confederacy made to look inept and unsympathetic, but relative to their Jedi rivals, they're made to look very weak.

Originally posted by Gideon
Not really.

The statement doesn't contradict the fact that Dooku displayed superiority through the Force (which could enable him to defeat Skywalker). But he really didn't demonstrate considerable superiority in a strict lightsaber sense.

Hence, contradiction.

Besides, take a damn good look at what the Clone Wars series has done to the Separatists.

Ahsoka takes out three Magnaguards, Kit Fisto defeats General Grievous, Ahsoka takes on Grievous, Ahsoka and Luminara take on Asajj and drive her off, Dooku is disarmed by a couple of pirates. Not only is the Confederacy made to look inept and unsympathetic, but relative to their Jedi rivals, they're made to look very weak.

Although Fisto defeating Grievous isn't exactly unbelievable considering the lectures the latter has gotten from Dooku regarding his fallibility.

Dooku being captured by drunken pirates is what bothered me.