Insane Genis-Vell vs The Dark Phoenix

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Plus, he was already filled with the Cosmic Awareness, so he already had all the knowledge Rachel overloaded Beyonder with.

Originally posted by Galan007

It always seemed to me that viewing one character's eventuality
is the catalyst which made Genis go looney.

Originally posted by Galan007

Now imagine what would have happened had the 'information' from every living thing throughout creation (starting from the big bang) flooded into Genis' mind, simultaneously.

Btw, Rachel's moment dealt with the present prime Universe,
not since the big bang.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

Cool. I doubt that would work on Genis, though.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

Seems like it worked on Beyonder
because he didn't really know life the way mortals do.

Genis knows.

Originally posted by celestialdemon

Plus, he was already filled with the Cosmic Awareness,
so he already had all the knowledge Rachel overloaded Beyonder with.

Genis' awareness made him one with all creation,
he saw the past/present/future simultaneously,
the run clearly defines this.

Still, this Rachel moment is being taken out of context,
Rachel never attacked Beyonder,
and even what she did was only possible because of Beyonder himself,
so it's really a moot point anyway
since this thread doesn't concern a Beyonder empowered Rachel like in SSII.

IG wins

Originally posted by Mr Master
Genis' awareness made him one with all creation,
he saw the past/present/future simultaneously,
the run clearly defines this.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Still, this Rachel moment is being taken out of context,
Rachel never attacked Beyonder,
and even what she did was only possible because of Beyonder himself,
so it's really a moot point anyway
since this thread doesn't concern a Beyonder empowered Rachel like in SSII.

Edit.

Originally posted by Galan007
Scans, then?

He sees all of creation, and all possibilities unto infinity.

Originally posted by Enyalus

He sees all of creation, and all possibilities unto infinity.

Originally posted by Galan007

Rachel sent Beyonder his power back + "far, far more." It seemed to be that added power which overwhelmed him. At any rate, I know you will never agree where Beyonder is concerned, so I am not going to partake in this part of the debate anymore (as it will irrevocably turn into a pages-spanning Beyonder thread 👇.)

Actually from the scan, its clear that what overwhelmed him was not the phoenixes power itself but rather all that she had experienced. So instead of the beyonder taking back his power alone, he took back his power and the wealth of human experiences and feelings. the "far far more" is referring to those experiences. Just saying.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Actually from the scan, its clear that what overwhelmed him was not the phoenixes power itself but rather all that she had experienced.

Originally posted by Galan007
Which relates much more to her own power - rather than the added power Beyonder gave her in the previous issue.

Well is the phoenixes "power" the totality of life and human experience? ( If it is then i see ur point but i dont really know that much about phoenix) because thats what seemingly overwhelmed him. I mean was it a deliberate attack she performed? or something that the beyonder just got as well while taking his powers back. I think that will determine whether it is a valid tactic against genis.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Well is the phoenixes "power" the totality of life and human experience? ( If it is then i see ur point but i dont really know that much about phoenix) because thats what seemingly overwhelmed him.

I mean was it a deliberate attack she performed? or something that the beyonder just got as well while taking his powers back. I think that will determine whether it is a valid tactic against genis.

But Like I said before, there's no solid proof DP would be able to replicate that feat. I just threw it out there because I personally feel that an 'attack' like that would be one of the only ways to affect Genis' mind.

Originally posted by Galan007
1.) Phoenix is the proverbial 'spark of creation', and I'm pretty sure having access to the 'totality of life' is part of her powerset.
2.) It was intentional on her part.

But Like I said before, there's no solid proof DP would be able to replicate that feat. I just threw it out there because I personally feel that an 'attack' like that would be one of the only ways to affect Genis' mind.

Fair enough.

Originally posted by Galan007
I think you guys are kind of misunderstanding what I'm saying. I know full well that Genis can see all of creation. But what I've yet to see is proof of every single thing [infinity] hitting Genis simultaneously - instead of him speaking on the possibilities of a few random happenings.

I'm definitely either misunderstanding what you're saying. That, or you didn't actually read the scans I put up. 😛 And I'd prefer not to think such a terrible thought. Quote from the second scan:

"The universe [Marvel Universe]...it's twisting and folding endlessly back on itself, and all things are possible. It's the gargantuan tapestry, and I can see all the threads! And every thread that I pull on, I can see all the ways it affects other threads, unto infinity, and --"

So...?

Originally posted by Enyalus
I'm definitely either misunderstanding what you're saying. That, or you didn't actually read the scans I put up. 😛 And I'd prefer not to think such a terrible thought. Quote from the second scan:

"The universe [Marvel Universe]...it's twisting and folding [b]endlessly back on itself, and all things are possible. It's the gargantuan tapestry, and I can see all the threads! And every thread that I pull on, I can see all the ways it affects other threads, unto infinity, and --"

So...? [/B]

Originally posted by Galan007
So like I said (and never argued,) Genis has the ability to see everything - but everything he has the ability to see doesn't flood into his mind at once. The only way it would is if Genis pulled on all of those 'threads' simultaneously.

Well um, he says he can see all the threads. And Moondragon says CA is like having a radio that's tuned to infinite multiverses. I assumed that, for the most part, it was all at once. If it wasn't, how does he actually know that he can see all of them? Infinity is a lot to sort through unless you can see all of them simultaneously.

I dunno for sure.

Dark Pheonix has my vote.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Dark Pheonix has my vote.

It's possible. But 'Dark Phoenix' has more power.

😛

Originally posted by Enyalus
Well um, he says he can see all the threads. And Moondragon says CA is like having a radio that's tuned to infinite multiverses. I assumed that, for the most part, it was all at once. If it wasn't, how does he actually know that he can see all of them? Infinity is a lot to sort through unless you can see all of them simultaneously.

I dunno for sure.

But I, like you, don't know for sure.

Originally posted by Galan007
It seems like Genis knows there are an infinite amount of threads/probabilities, but it doesn't seem like he can see where every single one goes, unless that particular thread is in some way 'pulled'.

But I, like you, don't know for sure.

I'm still working on the respect thread. 476 images so far (some of which are repeated.) Kinda gets cluttered looking for stuff in Photobucket. 🙁

Originally posted by Enyalus
I'm still working on the respect thread. 476 images so far (some of which are repeated.) Kinda gets cluttered looking for stuff in Photobucket. 🙁

Like I first said, infinity (in the true sense) may very well hit Genis all at once. But from what I've seen here, it doesn't seem like that's the case (and I'm WAY too lazy to go searching through my CM stuff lol.)