Re: Who can resist Emma the best?
Originally posted by Bentley
Emma Frost is bloodlusted and she tries to mind rape the following fighters. They cannot attack Emma, just try to resist the mental onslaught. Who would resist the longest?Doctor Doom (no armor)
Superman
Magneto (obviously no helmet)
Lex Luthor
Cyclops
Silver Surfer
Hal Jordan
Joker
Maxwell Lord
Dr. Doom just got mindraped by Natalie X...without his Armour Emma could do it if he isn't allowed to cast Magical Shields??
If Supes is going to stand there then most definitely and if she opts for an orgasm onslaught then most definitely.
Magneto...is he allowed to use his powers? If so then probably not without a lot of effort. But it can and has been done a few times with and without his helmet.
Lex Luthor I assume psi-blockers aren't standard with him.
Cyclops black box isn't going to stop her from shutting down his higher functions, it'll keep her from knowing about some of his dirty secrets but that's about it. The BB was of no use to him in AXM where she just shut down his higher brain functions.
Silver Surfer no effect on him, Ems will probably get white noise backlash or something.
Hal Jordan can he use his ring on himself? If not then yes, and with a lot of effort the shields can be pierced which she's capable of if he just stands there.
Joker...she doesn't need to enter his mind. She knocks him out with psychic lightning which is described as ambient psionic energy in the atmosphere channeled into a beam. 😖hifty: Oh yes indeed, she did that to Monet.
Maxwell Lord she'd be able to do that.
I mean they're all just standing there and she's bloodlusted....Surfer would probably hurt Emma without even realizing it though.
Re: Who can resist Emma the best?
Originally posted by Bentley
Emma Frost is bloodlusted. Who would resist the longest?
Doom survives with a mild headache. in a KMC environment where Doom's magic isn't ignored in order to set up a pis feat
Hal Jordan focuses his willpower to preserve his mind. in 52 weeks hal used his ring to achieve Telepathy and manage psi transmissions. Hal Pimpslaps
Surfer w/ease
Emma wrecks Cyclops
with or without powers Magneto shrugs of the onslaught.
But without powers he is vulnerable to short term memory loss
Joker has a migraine.
Luthor barely. He has defenses.
Maxwell Lord. Anyones guess.
Surfer would resist the longest
Doom second longest. Magic.
Then the coolest out of Magneto GL and The Joker.
Re: Re: Who can resist Emma the best?
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
If Supes is going to stand there then most definitely and if she opts for an orgasm onslaught then most definitely.
superman was able to resist despero while fighting a controlled justice league. he's stopped martian manhunter from affecting his mind through pure force of will. not saying it will last forever, but it'll be long enough imo.
Cyclops black box isn't going to stop her from shutting down his higher functions, it'll keep her from knowing about some of his dirty secrets but that's about it. The BB was of no use to him in AXM where she just shut down his higher brain functions.
LIES! 😛
Hal Jordan can he use his ring on himself? If not then yes, and with a lot of effort the shields can be pierced which she's capable of if he just stands there.
People who can put off a defense can use it, but there are no autoshields unless those are on all or most of the time in the character history. Meaning that Doom can use magic to protect himself but he will be forced to summon it -unless someone proves its always on and has nothing to do with a physical equipment-, the same for Gl's auto shield and Magneto using his powers.
Emma can race them with her own offensive so they are hit before they mount a decent defense though. They can't attack her nor use some indirect offense on her to hinder her powers
Originally posted by Bentley
People who can put off a defense can use it, but there are no autoshields unless those are on all or most of the time in the character history. Meaning that Doom can use magic to protect himself but he will be forced to summon it -unless someone proves its always on and has nothing to do with a physical equipment-, the same for Gl's auto shield and Magneto using his powers.Emma can race them with her own offensive so they are hit before they mount a decent defense though. They can't attack her nor use some indirect offense on her to hinder her powers
so she gets prep but they don't?
Originally posted by Raoul
so she gets prep but they don't?
No, it means she can try to mindrape at the start of the match. If Hal manages to summon a real shield by the mental resistance than his autoshield gives him he may do so. I don't think Supes ever is prepared before he is hit by a mind attack, he just endures it once it comes. Given them the chance to put shields up would be given them prep while Emma gets none.
Originally posted by Bentley
No, it means she can try to mindrape at the start of the match. If Hal manages to summon a real shield by the mental resistance than his autoshield gives him he may do so. I don't think Supes ever is prepared before he is hit by a mind attack, he just endures it once it comes. Given them the chance to put shields up would be given them prep while Emma gets none.
in the case of superman, his mind processes information at a far faster rate than most. that alone will keep emma busy, imo.
hal dropped his shield later in the issue, letting hammond read his mind. when hammond tried to go too far, hal was able to re-establish his shield...
Re: Re: Re: Who can resist Emma the best?
Originally posted by Raoul
superman was able to resist despero while fighting a controlled justice league. he's stopped martian manhunter from affecting his mind through pure force of will. not saying it will last forever, but it'll be long enough imo.
That would have most likely been mind control in both cases am I right? Not saying it'll be easy but DC telepathy from what I know seems to be used and work differently to Marvel Telepathy...well X-Universe telepathy. Marvel they have the Astral Plane/Higher Functions thing...while DC seems more on the Mind Blast + Mind Control orientated.
I don't think the processing speed will matter though, the X-telepaths deal with crap like that more often then usual Kid Omega was processing thoughts at faster then the speed of light and then there's the Cuckoos who process information at ficitonal super computer speeds, and IRRC the Aurora and Northstars new upgrade. They also are shown able to download a lifetime of information instantly as well as 1 second real time = ages telepathic time.
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Yeah I figured that much but wasn't sure if it was being allowed in the thread. Although I don't think he'll get his up if Emma is allowed a preemptive attack. "Mind Off" is kind of different to what Hector Hammond was doing.
uncanny x-men 504 is were the little black box of scot is mention if any one was curious.
as for it not helping him vs emma in astonishing x-men, not sure thats the best evidences. I mean for some reason she had no trouble mind raping any of the x-men in that run, but in other series she had trouble or been unable too.
though that being said scot black box aint saving him from being mind raped.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
[B]That would have most likely been mind control in both cases am I right? Not saying it'll be easy but DC telepathy from what I know seems to be used and work differently to Marvel Telepathy...well X-Universe telepathy. Marvel they have the Astral Plane/Higher Functions thing...while DC seems more on the Mind Blast + Mind Control orientated.
true to an extent.
I don't think the processing speed will matter though, the X-telepaths deal with crap like that more often then usual Kid Omega was processing thoughts at faster then the speed of light and then there's the Cuckoos who process information at ficitonal super computer speeds, and IRRC the Aurora and Northstars new upgrade. They also are shown able to download a lifetime of information instantly as well as 1 second real time = ages telepathic time.
even if you look at it that way (which is fine with me), there's still, imo, an element of raw telepathic power involved. whether you want to control, disable, or mess with the functions of said person, you still have to overcome whatever defences the person has in place.
as far as superman goes, he's resisted some of the most powerful and most diverse psychics in DC. manhunter, despero, even manchester black.
superman also has near infinite willpower. that, moreso in dc maybe, allows him to resist almost any form of telepathic attack. i'm not saying emma can't do it, but it's going to take a hell of a lot of effort on her part. superman is almost notorious for resisting telepathy.
Yeah I figured that much but wasn't sure if it was being allowed in the thread. Although I don't think he'll get his up if Emma is allowed a preemptive attack. "Mind Off" is kind of different to what Hector Hammond was doing.
yeah, it was different, no argument about that. the ring, though, is capable of blocking all signals of a psionic nature... thats assuming hal gets the shield up...
Originally posted by Battlehammer
uncanny x-men 504 is were the little black box of scot is mention if any one was curious.as for it not helping him vs emma in astonishing x-men, not sure thats the best evidences. I mean for some reason she had no trouble mind raping any of the x-men in that run, but in other series she had trouble or been unable too.
though that being said scot black box aint saving him from being mind raped.
Well she kind of mind raped Scott in Warsong as well.
Not really the only person she had problems with was Wolverine who she's mind raped at least 5 times in the past not including AXM, and Xavier had problems with him recently as well. Apparently somewhere after AXM and before Original Sin Wolverine built up enough scarred tissue to resist mental commans. Which is strange because they even referenced Emma telepathically stopping the fight at the beginning of Wolverine Origins in that crossover.
But I'd put money on that being forgotten about in the future seeing how Wolverine needed to be resistant to telepathy in order for the story to progress. If he wasn't Xavier wouldn't have come along with Logan.
Originally posted by Raoul
true to an extent.even if you look at it that way (which is fine with me), there's still, imo, an element of raw telepathic power involved. whether you want to control, disable, or mess with the functions of said person, you still have to overcome whatever defences the person has in place.
as far as superman goes, he's resisted some of the most powerful and most diverse psychics in DC. manhunter, despero, even manchester black.
superman also has near infinite willpower. that, moreso in dc maybe, allows him to resist almost any form of telepathic attack. i'm not saying emma can't do it, but it's going to take a hell of a lot of effort on her part. superman is almost notorious for resisting telepathy.
yeah, it was different, no argument about that. the ring, though, is capable of blocking all signals of a psionic nature... thats assuming hal gets the shield up...
I can agree with that, I guess the difference between Marvel and DC in telepathy is that in Marvel skill counts a lot more then raw power.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Well she kind of mind raped Scott in Warsong as well.Not really the only person she had problems with was Wolverine who she's mind raped at least 5 times in the past not including AXM, and Xavier had problems with him recently as well. Apparently somewhere after AXM and Original Sin Wolverine built up enough scarred tissue to resist mental attacks. Which is strange because they even referenced Emma telepathically stopping the fight at the beginning of Wolverine Origins in that crossover.
I recall here having difficulties with storm and other x-men, but maybe I am mistaken.
Think it a reconnt. Logan is suposes to have high levels of TP resistences, but many writers ignored this at times, so I believe they tried to reconnt it.
also the psi blocker helps as well.
Originally posted by ExodusCloak
But I'd put money on that being forgotten about in the future seeing how Wolverine needed to be resistant to telepathy in order for the story to progress. If he wasn't Xavier wouldn't have come along with Logan.
? what are you talking about? Logan TP resistences had nothing to do with xavier coming along if I recall correctly.
