Originally posted by cloud102strange has beat hulk many times with just with just a wave off his hand or just turning back to banner
Yes, and then he has trouble with the Hulk or been bested by Morgan. You're using a lot of high end feats that also show low end for the abstracts. just my opinion. Takion has stepped inbetween time also controlled time to his advantage. Strange has a lot more comics, but there is no solid evidence that he is more versatile. Especially, seeing as Highfather has stated that the power of the SOURCE can do anything. Anything.
Originally posted by skyfather
LT struggled to beat strange as well,and stranges manged to negate and breifly stalemate the igtakion only reversed the sources energy and the god wave is nowhere near as powerfull as some of the people mentioned.
strange can stop time in a instance or reverse time and do what the hell he likes with takion.
Trust me, no one loves Dr. Strange more than I do.
But "struggling to beat the LT" and "stalemating the IG" is tremendously incorrect- he survived a challenge the Living Tribunal set for him and he using all of his most powerful gear (which isn't specified he gets for this fight) he grabbed a stalemate against each of the gems of the Infinity Gauntlet in turn. And the stalemating Death feat mentioned earlier had plot circumstances- he hid out in the comatose body of Eternity long enough till he figured out that if he willingly surrendered to death, he wouldn't actually die (a trait of the Sorcerer Supreme).
Still, though, I think Dr. Strange wins this. The speed advantage doesn't really mean anything- Dr. Strange has survived Galactus level blasts, planetary explosions, and a punch from the Juggernaut (he did get knocked out, but it was only for about a page; and it was the Juggernaut hitting him FULL on) with his standard "automatic" defenses; he'd be able to survive Takion's speed advantage long enough to get himself going.
Classic Strange could freeze time, draw on black or white magic (doubling his power), shoot bolts that steal the life force and energy from others (he pulled this off against frickin' Eternity ), call upon the Vishanti, beat Moondragon+mind gem level telepaths, KO herald level opponents in one blast....
The only real chance Takion has here is if he could pull off something similar to what he did to Kyle, where he drained power out of his ring; if he could do this consistently to Dr. Strange, he might be able to stop him. The major problem with that is that Stephen just has WAY too many power sources he's capable of calling upon in case one is drained- his natural magic (with which he can pull of feats like moving the moon with tk, or his insane telepathy and astral projection), the Earth's magical "dragon lines" energy fields, black magic, calling upon a powerful magical being (Agametto, Dormammu, so on)...
Originally posted by tjcoady
Trust me, no one loves Dr. Strange more than I do.But "struggling to beat the LT" and "stalemating the IG" is tremendously incorrect- he survived a challenge the Living Tribunal set for him and he using all of his most powerful gear (which isn't specified he gets for this fight) he grabbed a stalemate against each of the gems of the Infinity Gauntlet in turn. And the stalemating Death feat mentioned earlier had plot circumstances- he hid out in the comatose body of Eternity long enough till he figured out that if he willingly surrendered to death, he wouldn't actually die (a trait of the Sorcerer Supreme).
Still, though, I think Dr. Strange wins this. The speed advantage doesn't really mean anything- Dr. Strange has survived Galactus level blasts, planetary explosions, and a punch from the Juggernaut (he did get knocked out, but it was only for about a page; and it was the Juggernaut hitting him FULL on) with his standard "automatic" defenses; he'd be able to survive Takion's speed advantage long enough to get himself going.
Classic Strange could freeze time, draw on black or white magic (doubling his power), shoot bolts that steal the life force and energy from others (he pulled this off against frickin' Eternity ), call upon the Vishanti, beat Moondragon+mind gem level telepaths, KO herald level opponents in one blast....
The only real chance Takion has here is if he could pull off something similar to what he did to Kyle, where he drained power out of his ring; if he could do this consistently to Dr. Strange, he might be able to stop him. The major problem with that is that Stephen just has WAY too many power sources he's capable of calling upon in case one is drained- his natural magic (with which he can pull of feats like moving the moon with tk, or his insane telepathy and astral projection), the Earth's magical "dragon lines" energy fields, black magic, calling upon a powerful magical being (Agametto, Dormammu, so on)...
Originally posted by Nihilist
strange has beat hulk many times with just with just a wave off his hand or just turning back to banner
Oh, I'm not saying Strange can't beat the Hulk. He should in fact beat bricks everytime, but doesn't. When he was a member of the Defenders I remember Strange got beat down by a Rock Demon.
Originally posted by cloud102what type of magic,strange is a master of both black and white.did takion manipulate magic on someone of strange lvl(the greates sorcer/mage)in the whole of marvel.
Takion has manipulated magic and can cancel out fields. The Source gives him a wide variety of effects and is limitless in terms of versatility.
if the likes of galactus,inbetweener could'nt cancel out or break his sheilds i dont see how takion can
Originally posted by cloud102so they dont honestly seem like its shit writing or low showing to you when he can one skyfathers lvl demons.
Oh, I'm not saying Strange can't beat the Hulk. He should in fact beat bricks everytime, but doesn't. When he was a member of the Defenders I remember Strange got beat down by a Rock Demon.
its funny that some characters it ok to use low feats and not others.
Originally posted by cloud102
no, you use their average. Strange is one of the best mages in comics. Second only to Fate, IMO. But people make him out to be unstoppable, which isn't true.
each character figths at full capacity with no pis,so that means strange pulls out all the stops,calling upon anything he done regulary/beforr
imho fates high feats are not as good as stranges high feats.
Originally posted by cloud102faced spectre,who was easily manipulated by eclipso
Like what? Fate has faced Spectre, Mordru, drawn power from God himself, can amp his stats to near pre-crisis level, draw power from other known gods, etc...
faced mordu?
strange beat galactus's,shumas goraths,dormammus,inbetweener who imo are above mordu,irrc strange once controlled chaos and order.
drawing GOD's power is kinda bs dont you think,seeing as spectre is only as powerfull as the presance lets him/backs him up.
strange has drawn/taken all shuma gorath power who is an elder god,above the likes of regular skyfathers,irrc it was in shuma's realm as well
Originally posted by Nihilist
faced spectre,who was easily manipulated by eclipsofaced mordu?
strange beat galactus's,shumas goraths,dormammus,inbetweener who imo are above mordu,irrc strange once controlled chaos and order.drawing GOD's power is kinda bs dont you think,seeing as spectre is only as powerfull as the presance lets him/backs him up.
strange has drawn/taken all shuma gorath power who is an elder god,above the likes of regular skyfathers,irrc it was in shuma's realm as well
Fate has faced Spectre on more than one occasion and had the power to stalemate. Spectre > Shuma, Galactus, Inbetweener, etc...
And Fate's helm is one of the most powerful artifacts in the universe according to the last fate mini.
Not only that, but Fate has also defeated beings of Order and Chaos.
Strange Beats Takion.... All the arguements I hear for Takion is "OMG HE CAN CONTROL THE SOURCE, THE SOURCE OMG THE SOURCE .......SOURCE AHHHHHHHH!!" Not so much real debating. I mean If takion is around more then he can do some more feats to display is supposed uberness than sure II believe Takion takes CLASSIC strange. I believe Classic strange would whoops the pants off Takion.
Takion like other characters I could mention are uber nasty who are presented as such but arent hanging around long enough to display the full spectrum of their powers.
Also Takion being able manip the source is in theory really amazing IF he wasn't the "embodiment" or agent of the source. I mean thats like saying "Oh snap Silver Surfer was able to control the Power Cosmic to rearrange matter" um yeah because he suppose to be able to do that. I mean if someone like Vulcan was able to all of sudden start manipulating the power cosmic that would be pretty freaking crazy; and yes I'm fully aware of what the source is and can do but it's not like Takion uses all the source power every time he does something.
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Strange Beats Takion.... All the arguements I hear for Takion is "OMG HE CAN CONTROL THE SOURCE, THE SOURCE OMG THE SOURCE .......SOURCE AHHHHHHHH!!" Not so much real debating. I mean If takion is around more then he can do some more feats to display is supposed uberness than sure II believe Takion takes CLASSIC strange. I believe Classic strange would whoops the pants off Takion.Takion like other characters I could mention are uber nasty who are presented as such but arent hanging around long enough to display the full spectrum of their powers.
Also Takion being able manip the source is in theory really amazing IF he wasn't the "embodiment" or agent of the source. I mean thats like saying "Oh snap Silver Surfer was able to control the Power Cosmic to rearrange matter" um yeah because he suppose to be able to do that. I mean if someone like Vulcan was able to all of sudden start manipulating the power cosmic that would be pretty freaking crazy; and yes I'm fully aware of what the source is and can do but it's not like Takion uses all the source power every time he does something.
Wow, you have such a better argument. It's not like Strange uses uber magic all the time either. And how is Strange supposedly going to beat someone who can manipulate magic as well? The Source also let's Takion control GL energy and, well, pretty much all types of energy.
Originally posted by cloud102who's magic has takion controled.
Wow, you have such a better argument. It's not like Strange uses uber magic all the time either. And how is Strange supposedly going to beat someone who can manipulate magic as well? The Source also let's Takion control GL energy and, well, pretty much all types of energy.