Quasar/Silver Surfer vs Powergirl/Eradicator

Originally posted by janus77
Surfer has feats that would make most TP/PSI specialists look small time. he telepathically communicated across half the universe, he altered the emotional states of billions of people in an instant...

He shared a feelgood moment with earth. He didn't alter everyone. Even then, those are far from the mindrape or astral realm defeats you were implying. 🙂

Originally posted by janus77
and yes, the point you "LOL" at, is pretty damned relevant, Surfer can take a being's power and use it against him, amp himself with it or both, all while fighting that being.

With a temp upgrade that isn't within his normal power set. Next.

Originally posted by janus77
your partisanship is also noted 🙂

Thanks. I tried to keep it somewhat even, and I'm quite familiar with all parties involved. Thanks for noticing.

Originally posted by Avlon
Energy manip, matter manip, Torquasm Vo, Mindrape, Superman level strength. Fortress mode, etc.

It's a lot of stuff. Yes...Erads can amp to fortress mode and he normally starts off with Superman level strength, speed, and durability as is where SS would need to amp to that.

So there isn't any physical superiority on Surfers part. Both have their highs and lows.

From memory she handled GL, Flash, and a bunch of JLA'ers with ease. He actually doesn't want to use energy against her with her Hank Henshaw like control over it...and SS would probably be a better match for her while Quasar should go against Erads for a more even battle IMO.

What is fortress mode? As for the rest save Tvo which is basically just a unique psychic attack they are well within surfers abilities ( surfer has some unique psychic attacks of his own). While surfer cant match supermans high feats strengthwise ( and i doubt eradicator can either) he has proven to be physically strong enough to take on the likes of a An extremely enraged hulk together with his warbound, and match an amped champion as well. He is strong enough. Durability wise he is also superior to eradicator. As well as having superior showings of speed in battle.

What are her energy feats? U describing her as having han henshaw like control is nice and all but im quite sure quasar has got superior feats in that department. And frankly thats what im concerned with.

Originally posted by Naija boy
What is fortress mode?

It's an amp where he acquires more mass and his stats go up. He can also grow gigantic in this mode and more powerful.

Originally posted by Naija boy
As for the rest save Tvo which is basically just a unique psychic attack they are well within surfers abilities ( surfer has some unique psychic attacks of his own).

Let's not make stuff up dude. Makes debating easier. Surfer does not have Torquasm Vo.

Originally posted by Naija boy
While surfer cant match supermans high feats strengthwise ( and i doubt eradicator can either) he has proven to be physically strong enough to take on the likes of a An extremely enraged hulk together with his warbound, and match an amped champion as well. He is strong enough. Durability wise he is also superior to eradicator. As well as having superior showings of speed in battle.

Erads at his weakest was able to lift a huge iceberg effortlessly. Erads has physically matched Supes as well and it fortress mode, Superman didn't want to tangle physically with him.

As for speed. It's pretty much the same thing. Both can travel space fairly easily and Erads has used speed in battle as well. Neither Erads nor Surfer have been shown to use speed the way Supes has..so they fall into a similar category.

Originally posted by Naija boy
What are her energy feats? U describing her as having han henshaw like control is nice and all but im quite sure quasar has got superior feats in that department. And frankly thats what im concerned with.

I'll see if I can get the scans when I'm home.

Originally posted by Naija boy
What is fortress mode?

Eradicator can summon the remains of Superman's old Fortress of Solitude and use it as battle armor.

Apparently the armor still retains the full power of the fortress and he has used it to stalemate all of Darkseids forces on Apokolips.(w/ help from Krypto)

It's an amp where he acquires more mass and his stats go up. He can also grow gigantic in this mode and more powerful.

Ah well can u post scans of it so i can see what ur talking about? And besides it seems to be an external amp.

Let's not make stuff up dude. Makes debating easier. Surfer does not have Torquasm Vo.

Huh? were did i claim he did? I mentioned that surfer DOESNT have tvo but that its a psychic attack and surfer himself has some unique psychic attacks of his own.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/ss1kv7-1.jpg

Here after easily invading the mind of a being who was able to overwhelm nova and his mental defenses he uses a psychic blast to shatter the the beings own mental defenses.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/surferleavingabeingdevoidofconsciou.jpg

Here another unique psychic attack so as i said surfer certainly has a nice psychic artillery of his own

Erads at his weakest was able to lift a huge iceberg effortlessly. Erads has physically matched Supes as well and it fortress mode, Superman didn't want to tangle physically with him. As for speed. It's pretty much the same thing. Both can travel space fairly easily and Erads has used speed in battle as well. Neither Erads nor Surfer have been shown to use speed the way Supes has..so they fall into a similar category.

As i said surfers strength feats are enough to show he is at least no pushover in that department. And no speed is NOT the same thing. Surfer actually HAS feats of him using speed in battle similar to supes and these have been shown many times. What feats does erads have in this vein?

Erad got one-shotted twice and reprogrammed by Majestics HV. Hes not SS level at all.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Ah well can u post scans of it so i can see what ur talking about? And besides it seems to be an external amp.

Here you go..he does it on the fly. Nothing external about it. That should clear that up.

Originally posted by Avlon
Erads owns the Apokalyptan army practically highhandedly. He's also shown to be by far the most powerful of the group... and this includes a precrisis Supergirl, AND Superboy + Earth Angel Supergirl enhanced by a motherbox.

Notice none get past him or even phase him. He's only distracted once PC Supergirl goes to help Natasha Irons vs reborn Doomsday.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Huh? were did i claim he did? I mentioned that surfer DOESNT have tvo but that its a psychic attack and surfer himself has some unique psychic attacks of his own.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/ss1kv7-1.jpg

Here after easily invading the mind of a being who was able to overwhelm nova and his mental defenses he uses a psychic blast to shatter the the beings own mental defenses.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/surferleavingabeingdevoidofconsciou.jpg

Here another unique psychic attack so as i said surfer certainly has a nice psychic artillery of his own

Surfers Psychic abilities are more passive in nature. It goes back to what I originally stated though. They are very, VERY similar in most respects with slight variations.

Originally posted by Naija boy
As i said surfers strength feats are enough to show he is at least no pushover in that department.

I never said SS was a pushover. Neither is Eradicator however. Again, some similarities come into play.

Originally posted by Naija boy
And no speed is NOT the same thing. Surfer actually HAS feats of him using speed in battle similar to supes and these have been shown many times. What feats does erads have in this vein?

Actually, he doesn't. To this day there still isn't anything solid on Surfers end except blitz type stuff like this:

All in all. SS has more material..but they are VERY compatible.

Team 1 ftw.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Erad got one-shotted twice and reprogrammed by Majestics HV. Hes not SS level at all.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
Erad got one-shotted twice and reprogrammed by Majestics HV. Hes not SS level at all.

Surfer got one shotted by a lazer pistol and armbarred by BP. He's also been held helplessly in an energy cube like Thor was.

Like I said...both have their ups and downs...but are very compatible.

Originally posted by Avlon
Here you go..he does it on the fly. Nothing external about it. That should clear that up.

Surfers Psychic abilities are more passive in nature. It goes back to what I originally stated though. They are very, VERY similar in most respects with slight variations.

I never said SS was a pushover. Neither is Eradicator however. Again, some similarities come into play.

Actually, he doesn't. To this day there still isn't anything solid on Surfers end except blitz type stuff like this:

All in all. SS has more material..but they are VERY compatible.

Ok from what i saw there it didnt seem to be external however im not really to sure of the context of what was going on.

And surfers abilities are passive in nature? eer The examples i showed coudnt contradict that statement any more. He was directly incapacitating his oppoenet through psychic means.

Also what u showed from eradicator is absolutely nothing like what surfer has accomplished. All we see is him flying up and then flying down and bashing the guy all in a straight line. Surfer on the other hand has instances of him moving at superspeeds in different direction while attacking multiple opponents simultaneously. When he fought nova he grabbed punched and threw nova so quickly that nova thought it was an energy blast. Nova himself has FTL reflexes and high level superspeed. Surfer has also dodged and blasted deathurge while moving at light speed+. ( in a completely non straight line manner). Speedwise they arent in the same category at all

Eradicator may have surfer beat in strength but combat speed, durability and overall power output go to surfer.

Originally posted by Avlon
Surfer got one shotted by a lazer pistol and armbarred by BP. He's also been held helplessly in an energy cube like Thor was.

Like I said...both have their ups and downs...but are very compatible.

You cannot seriously compare losing to a laser gun to facing a versatile and intelligent herald leveler. Losing against BP goes against all the history of the character while losing against Majestic is consistent with Erradicator feats and powerlevel, why is it a low feat, because you say so?

Originally posted by Bentley
You cannot seriously compare losing to a laser gun to facing a versatile and intelligent herald leveler. Losing against BP goes against all the history of the character while losing against Majestic is consistent with Erradicator feats and powerlevel, why is it a low feat, because you say so?

The point that Surfer got pwned by a laser shows that that is a much lower showing. to use either as a debating tactic against either isn't really cool. Which is what Avy was trying to show.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Surfer got pwned by BP and storm twice. Stop using low feats for one character and Not the other.

iirc surfer hasnt ever been koed by storm.

Originally posted by fangirl101
laser vision=laser?

The point that Surfer got pwned by a laser shows that that is a much lower showing. to use either as a debating tactic against either isn't really cool. Which is what Avy was trying to show.

Its different, because there is no reason to say that the defeat against Majestic is a real low feat. Maybe Majestic is simply his superior.

The BP feat is BS and PIS. These feats you claim are low balling.

Majestic is on par with Superman and Erad is around this level. But Majestic still one shotted him.

Originally posted by Anti-Monitor
The BP feat is BS and PIS. These feats you claim are low balling.

Majestic is on par with Superman and Erad is around this level. But Majestic still one shotted him.

Erads just happens to be far more versatile than Superman. Which makes him the very near equal to surfer.

Originally posted by fangirl101
Superman is also around surfer lvl. Duh.

Erads just happens to be far more versatile than Superman. Which makes him the very near equal to surfer.

All these talk about Erradicator being as strong to Supes sounds shady to me, Superman has a sh_tload of feats of the highest level which is what makes him the top tier he is. Errad doesn't have that much to back up his case. Superman in a good day would stomp Erradicator.

Originally posted by Bentley
All these talk about Erradicator being as strong to Supes sounds shady to me, Superman has a sh_tload of feats of the highest level which is what makes him the top tier he is. Errad doesn't have that much to back up his case. Superman in a good day would stomp Erradicator.

Erads/Superman/Surfer are all nearly equally powerful.

Surfer/Erads>Superman in versatility.

Powergirl few/one time energy manip. showing is not nearly enough to give him a win/defense against this top energy manipulators, she doesn't have what it takes.. Erads on the other hand would be somebody who'd give this guys the fight of their life but even then he might be => Quazar but not Surfer.. That being said Team ftw for majority..