Savage Bannerless Hulk vs Thor

Started by Starscream M12 pages

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

To even assume Juggernaut is more durable or superior in some way, is laughable as it is ridiculous. Galactus is received as an equal by both Death, and Eternity.

http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/?action=view&current=ThorvsGalactus3.jpg

this is your own scan.

read it.

Galactus is hurt by a friggin hammer toss (not even a godblast). He says "my limbs have tasted pain".

That same hammer toss would not even have tickled Juggernaut.

But keep on arguing that Galactus is more durable...and make up more numbers (25% strength) to support your bogus theories.

I'm done with this argument.

Originally posted by Starscream M
http://s38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/?action=view&current=ThorvsGalactus3.jpg

this is your own scan.

read it.

Galactus is hurt by a friggin hammer toss (not even a godblast). He says "my limbs have tasted pain".

That same hammer toss would not even have tickled Juggernaut.

But keep on arguing that Galactus is more durable...and make up more numbers (25% strength) to support your bogus theories.

I'm done with this argument.

You're point?

While arguing do remember that for a time Galactus and Thor were considered to be very evenly matched.

Currently?

Now?

Galactus would turn Hulk, Thor, Juggernaut etc. into ash with a shrug.

I was just reading this issue, and did you see Galactus attacking? He was in his tiny invisible cube etc. and it seemed pretty weird.

Back then, Thor was as big as Galan's arm. Now Galactus' eye ball dwarfs Thor.

That is a good indication of their power levels and how they have changed.

Some power levels were significantly changed. Don't forget, back then Thor was considered to be a being who constantly fights Cosmic Level threats when he was created.

If Thor was still so comparable to Galactus in power currently, as he was back in the day, he would be significantly more powerful than even Rune King Thor easily in my opinion.

Comics evolve. Some facts don't change some do, you can tell that by the different occurrences as time passes.

Seriously, do I really have to explain this to you?

You haven't figured this out for yourself etc.?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
When did it state Galactus was hungry, because I certainly can't find it?

I just read Thor 160, 161, and 162 volume 1, and it seems that Galactus just recently consumed a planet, and not the other way around, as Thor while on a journey to find him, came across a recently devoured planet.

Ego was able to hold his own against Galactus, and it was a stalemate.

Thor did get a cheap shot in against Galactus with his hammer (1), when Galactus diverted giant comets from their path to attack Ego. I just read the issues which were part of the arc, and not once did it mention Galactus was starving during the battle.

If I'm wrong, then tell me the page number and I'll post the scan where it says so, but in the issues "involving" the arc, it was never stated that he was starved when he fought Ego.

In the original arc, it was not stated that he was weakened. Perhaps further along, though.

(1)

Fudge if I remember where I saw this, but I'm not looking for anything.

😎

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You're point?

While arguing do remember that for a time Galactus and Thor were considered to be very evenly matched.

Currently?

Now?

Galactus would turn Hulk, Thor, Juggernaut etc. into ash with a shrug.

I was just reading this issue, and did you see Galactus attacking? He was in his tiny invisible cube etc. and it seemed pretty weird.

Back then, Thor was as big as Galan's arm. Now Galactus' eye ball dwarfs Thor.

That is a good indication of their power levels and how they have changed.

Some power levels were significantly changed. Don't forget, back then Thor was considered to be a being who constantly fights Cosmic Level threats when he was created.

If Thor was still so comparable to Galactus in power currently, as he was back in the day, he would be significantly more powerful than even Rune King Thor easily in my opinion.

Comics evolve. Some facts don't change some do, you can tell that by the different occurrences as time passes.

Seriously, do I really have to explain this to you?

You haven't figured this out for yourself etc.?

wow...you are just ridiculous...getting worse and worse

you say characters change yet you are the one who has been using the Thor vs Hulk battle from decades ago in this thread to prove that Thor could beat Hulk

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back to Galactus vs Juggernaut's durability.

Galactus size has nothing to do with how powerful he is. He can change his size and artists can draw him how they like.

The fact that he didn't attack also has NOTHING to do with durability.

Juggernaut also didn't attack during Thor's attacks.

Now, let's throw out opinions and speculations and look at FACTs.

FACT: Galactus was hurt by a hammer toss and driven to run away by a godblast.

FACT: Juggernaut shrugged off hammer toss and was not hurt in the slightest by a godblast.

those are FACTs...not opinions, not speculation (which you love to use).

end debate.

its true size has absolutely nothing to do with power i mean what about that time juggernaut was fighting the stranger,where he jumped up to his height and punched him out

Originally posted by Starscream M
wow...you are just ridiculous...getting worse and worse

Ridiculous?

Based on what?

Originally posted by Starscream M
you say characters change yet you are the one who has been using the Thor vs Hulk battle from decades ago in this thread to prove that Thor could beat Hulk

Do you read the content’s of my posts?

I do not mean this as an insult but as an honest question. Take your time, and if you do not understand something, tell me and I will go into more detail etc.

I clearly said:

Comic book characters evolve. Some facts don't change some do, you can tell that by the different occurrences as time passes.

Do you understand what I mean?

Judging from your reply, you don’t.

I said that characters evolve and they change. The best way to tell the difference in power levels etc. is in occurrences when they meet as time passes.

It has been clearly obvious, from their other meetings and as they are portrayed, throughout the years, that Galactus is infinitely superior to Thor and beyond any of his attacks “but” throughout the year, “time” and “time” again, when they meet, the result between Thor and Hulk is always the same.

Thor is able to stalemate the Hulk in physical combat, but with Mjolnir, is shown to be superior. This was portrayed since their earliest battles, until their last battle in “2001”.

Like I said, characters and their power levels evolve, and the best way to track these changes is from their meetings etc. from past rivals, or enemies, or feats that they have been able to accomplish and now cannot etc.

Galactus has been portrayed to be beyond Thor, Hulk, and Juggernaut in every way, despite those early years, many decades ago but no matter how many years it has been, every time they meet, without any plot device included, Thor and Hulk have always been at a stalemate in a fist fight but Thor has always been superior with his Hammer.

Do you see my point and the difference between Thor vs. Galactus and Thor vs. Hulk?

Originally posted by Starscream M
back to Galactus vs Juggernaut's durability.

Ok then.

Originally posted by Starscream M
[BGalactus size has nothing to do with how powerful he is. He can change his size and artists can draw him how they like. [/B]

Christ, I meant it as a metaphor between Thor and Galactus.

I didn’t mean that his power literally depends on his size. Galactus can be any shape or form.

Originally posted by Starscream M
The fact that he didn't attack also has NOTHING to do with durability.

It’s an obvious indication of how powerful Galactus is now.

Are you trying to be difficult?

Back then, Thor was considered a great match for Galactus to an extent, and Ego was capable of even stalemating, but currently, as you and everyone else knows, Galactus would with thought get rid of both Ego and Thor.

Hell, he wouldn’t even bother and would send his Heralds.

Honestly, if Galactus, by using a fraction of his power, can create beings like Silver Surfer, whose durability in my opinion is comparably if not superior to Juggernaut’s to an extent (He can survive in a black hole, take blows from beings on Galactus’ level and survive), how powerful do you think Galactus would be as he has total control of the entire Power Cosmic, and is the third force in the Universe, the others being Eternity and Death.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Juggernaut also didn't attack during Thor's attacks.

He was charging right at Thor.

Originally posted by Starscream M
Now, let's throw out opinions and speculations and look at FACTs.

FACT: Galactus was hurt by a hammer toss and driven to run away by a godblast.

FACT: Juggernaut shrugged off hammer toss and was not hurt in the slightest by a godblast.

those are FACTs...not opinions, not speculation (which you love to use).

end debate.

Are you trying to be dense?

I have explained these points before.

Do you honestly believe that “currently” Thor can even get Galactus’ attention?

Galactus is treated as an equal by “Eternity” and “Death.

You are basing the power levels, and this debate, on an incarnation of a character that was obviously much “weaker” those decades ago, and then he is now.

Do you not read any comics?

I am beginning someone with any sense to come in at this point because I’m tired of explaining why Juggernaut is not “SUPERIOR” to Galactus, in any shape, way or form.

How can Juggernaut be superior to a cosmic entity like Galactus, who possesses weapons like the Ultimate Nullifier etc. when Galactus is superior to a being who is much more powerful than Juggernaut and who gives Juggernaut his power.

It’s really simple, if you think about it. Cytorrak gives Juggernaut his power and the very least is near Sky-Father level etc. but Galactus is a cosmic entity that is part of the Universal order. Juggernaut cannot be superior in “ANYWAY”, as it would defy years and years of history in continuity.

Galactus has obviously been pushed up in power greatly in these decades while Thor and Hulk in a match no matter how many times have meet, have always been equals to an extent.

Do you not realize that?

Galactus could not have beaten Thor and Ego alone back then if I recall, but now he would shrug and they would be finished.

Does that not scream to you the difference in power levels?

How many times do I have to explain the simplest things to you?

Originally posted by bane214
its true size has absolutely nothing to do with power i mean what about that time juggernaut was fighting the stranger,where he jumped up to his height and punched him out

I meant it as a metaphor not literally.

That would pretty stupid, if I did.

You don't understand Rage, Juggernaut's durability is magical in nature.

So while Galactus is more powerful than Juggernaut and perhaps Cytorrak, Galactus' durability is based on physical laws...Juggernaut's isn't.

You can't say that because Galactus is more powerful than Cytorrak, he is therefore more durable than Juggernaut because one is magic based and one is not.

When something involves magic, there is no logic. It may not make sense, but it is the case.

My God

over

Originally posted by Starscream M
You don't understand Rage, Juggernaut's durability is magical in nature.

So while Galactus is more powerful than Juggernaut and perhaps Cytorrak, Galactus' durability is based on physical laws...Juggernaut's isn't.

You can't say that because Galactus is more powerful than Cytorrak, he is therefore more durable than Juggernaut because one is magic based and one is not.

When something involves magic, there is no logic. It may not make sense, but it is the case.

eer

Physical laws?

You might as well say that Juggernaut is more durable than Eternity, and Death as those are like Galactus part of the cosmic triangle. Do you understand what I am trying to tell you, Galactus is a cosmic being beyond most mystical beings. He has fought other mystical beings, while hungry etc. and has done amazingly well despite the fact that he is limited to "physical laws".

Galactus has fought Agamatto in his own realm, he......he.....h......

Nope. I can't do it. I give up, trying to explain the most basic knowledge to you my friend.

I enjoyed our debate, but only until the point logic was present.

drunk

giljotiini

In one one thread hes arguing for the validity of movies over comics in another he is claiming that juggernaut is more durable than galactus. facepalm

Originally posted by Naija boy
In one one thread hes arguing for the validity of movies over comics in another he is claiming that juggernaut is more durable than galactus. facepalm
I never argued for movie OVER comics

I just said movies that accurately portray characters could also be used...alongside comics

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and I argue that Juggernaut is more durable than Galactus by showing proof. Juggernaut was tickled by thor's hammer throw and completely unharmed by a godblast whereas Galactus was hurt by the hammer and driven to run away by a godblast. You may not like it but it happened...ON PANEL...and is therefore canon.

Originally posted by Naija boy
In one one thread hes arguing for the validity of movies over comics in another he is claiming that juggernaut is more durable than galactus. facepalm

I don't think he reads a lot of comics.

Either way, I won't hold it against him as it is his opinion and I respect it, but that still doesn't mean I or anybody else with basic knowledge of Galactus would agree with it.

Originally posted by Starscream M
I never argued for movie OVER comics

I just said movies that accurately portray characters could also be used...alongside comics

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and I argue that Juggernaut is more durable than Galactus by showing proof. Juggernaut was tickled by thor's hammer throw and completely unharmed by a godblast whereas Galactus was hurt by the hammer and driven to run away by a godblast. You may not like it but it happened...ON PANEL...and is therefore canon.

Moves that accurately portray characters?

That very, very rarely happens if at all.

I can't think of any movie that has come from Marvel in this last few years, that portrays character's correctly.

Either way, it doesn't matter as it is not-cannon.

Dude are you trying to be dense?

I just explained to you why that showing is not valid for Galactus.

He is significantly more important and powerful now.

Do you not get that?

Do you honestly think Galactus would be bothered by a hammer throw from even Odin Force Thor now?

Originally posted by Starscream M
I never argued for movie OVER comics

I just said movies that accurately portray characters could also be used...alongside comics

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and I argue that Juggernaut is more durable than Galactus by showing proof. Juggernaut was tickled by thor's hammer throw and completely unharmed by a godblast whereas Galactus was hurt by the hammer and driven to run away by a godblast. You may not like it but it happened...ON PANEL...and is therefore canon.

We have been over this before and i clearly explained to u why such reasoning was not only faulty but absolutely inane. U een had the biggest juggernaut fans on the forum arguing against u. I believe that in that discussion u also claimed that galactus would be unable to hurt juggernaut or something similar. Now However i have no time to wallow with u in such foolish discussions

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Either way, I won't hold it against him as it is his opinion and I respect it, but that still doesn't mean I or anybody else with basic knowledge of Galactus would agree with it.

cool, I'm not trying to force you to agree with me either.

Cool.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I don't think he reads a lot of comics.

Either way, I won't hold it against him as it is his opinion and I respect it, but that still doesn't mean I or anybody else with basic knowledge of Galactus would agree with it.

Than why did Bannerless Hulk prove to be physically superior against Iron Man, Wonder Man, Hercules and Sub-Mariner and all other West Coast and East Coast Avengers in Hulk#316-322?
Bannerless Hulk was throwing them like ragdolls.
Hercules couldn't do absolutely anything against the Hulk on his own, neither the Avengers.
Hulk simply deflect their assault including the one with Hercules (Hercules was shown to be thrown like a ragdoll more than once).
And Hercules is equal in strength with Thor and than you're saying that Thor is equally strong as Bannerless Hulk?
Give me a break.