Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
Define 'plenty'.
Enough to debate. Or at least we've seen them in action so it's not like we know nothing about them.
Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
I thought every MagnaGuard was equally strong. Do you have something to back this up, other than what could be considered a fair use of logic?
Here is a quote from the novel:
"Three MagnaGuards... each with hypersophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience"
If they can learn from experience then clearly some are going to be better than others. The ones that have fought Jedi are going to be better than those which haven't etc. The only way they could be equally strong was if each of them fought exactly the same opponents in exactly the same circumstances.
Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
We still know shit about either of them. But, I have to say, if they were assigned to protect the Supreme Chancellor alongside Shaak Tii... My guess is they were powerful. Or at least, not average. I doubt Yoda or Mace would leave a job as important as protecting the Chancellor to average Jedi Masters.
Thank you. And as I said before we know this:
"He held Grievous at bay while carrying Palpatine on one shoulder. Meaning he was fighting practically with one hand tied behind his back (he had to wield his sabre one-handed) and weighed down by carrying an old man. Even so he still had sufficient skill, strength and agility to fend off Grievous at his peak (this was before Mace crushed GG's chest)."
I'd call that an impressive feat.
Originally posted by Vorpal RuinThe implication, whether intentional or not, was rather clear. It would be reasonable for Palpatine to be left under the guard of four average Jedi Masters because the Council sent just a Master and a Knight to rescue him from the clutches of the General himself. That conclusion implies that there is no notable disparity between the combined ability of the four Jedi Masters and that of the Master and the Knight, when clearly you couldn't be farther from the truth.
Why wouldn't they leave him in protection of 'average Jedi Masters'? They sent a Master and a Knight to rescue him off the enemys flagship.
Originally posted by chilled monkeyFending off Greivous was good, but it even being the Clone Wars cartoon makes this difficult given how the show took liberties with Jedi powers. *cough*Mace*cough*
Enough to debate. Or at least we've seen them in action so it's not like we know nothing about them.Here is a quote from the novel:
"Three MagnaGuards... each with hypersophisticated heuristic combat algorithms that enabled it to learn from experience"
If they can learn from experience then clearly some are going to be better than others. The ones that have fought Jedi are going to be better than those which haven't etc. The only way they could be equally strong was if each of them fought exactly the same opponents in exactly the same circumstances.
Thank you. And as I said before we know this:
"He held Grievous at bay while carrying Palpatine on one shoulder. Meaning he was fighting practically with one hand tied behind his back (he had to wield his sabre one-handed) and weighed down by carrying an old man. Even so he still had sufficient skill, strength and agility to fend off Grievous at his peak (this was before Mace crushed GG's chest)."
I'd call that an impressive feat.
But we have this one and only engagement to discuss them, so if we try to apply anything they've done to someone who wasn't in that episode, then we break down in to opinions and supposition. We can compare these two to each other, but no one else. This conversation as to what is and isn't "plenty" is all that makes this thread debatable.
Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Fending off Greivous was good, but it even being the Clone Wars cartoon makes this difficult given how the show took liberties with Jedi powers. *cough*Mace*cough*But we have this one and only engagement to discuss them, so if we try to apply anything they've done to someone who wasn't in that episode, then we break down in to opinions and supposition. We can compare these two to each other, but no one else. This conversation as to what is and isn't "plenty" is all that makes this thread debatable.
Fair enough. I just wanted to point out that we have seen both Roron and Foul in action. We have feats from both of them, so as I said, it's not like we don't know anything about them.
If I posted say, "Belia Darzu vs Lari Oll" then yes, that would be a problem since we've never seen either of them fight, don't have any feats for them etc.
That's the point I was trying to make.
Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Reread what I said. I never said Anakin and Obi-Wan were average Jedi. Please don't misquote me. 🙂
Okay, let's take a look at what you said:
"Why wouldn't they leave him in protection of 'average Jedi Masters'? They sent a Master and a Knight to rescue him off the enemys flagship."
First you ask why Palpatine wouldn't be protected by 'average' Jedi. And then, to back that up, you point out that they sent 'a Master and a Knight to rescue him.'
Sure sounds like you're saying that the 'Master' and the 'Knight' are 'just average'.
How exactly are we meant to interpret what you said?
Originally posted by Publius II
The implication, whether intentional or not, was rather clear. It would be reasonable for Palpatine to be left under the guard of four average Jedi Masters because the Council sent just a Master and a Knight to rescue him from the clutches of the General himself. That conclusion implies that there is no notable disparity between the combined ability of the four Jedi Masters and that of the Master and the Knight, when clearly you couldn't be farther from the truth.
Thank you. Well said.
Originally posted by chilled monkey
Okay, let's take a look at what you said:"Why wouldn't they leave him in protection of 'average Jedi Masters'? They sent a Master and a Knight to rescue him off the enemys flagship."
First you ask why Palpatine wouldn't be protected by 'average' Jedi. And then, to back that up, you point out that they sent 'a Master and a Knight to rescue him.'
Sure sounds like you're saying that the 'Master' and the 'Knight' are 'just average'.
How exactly are we meant to interpret what you said?
Maybe he meant two above average jedi, are equal to four average jedi.
Just saying...
How exactly are we meant to interpret what you said?
This is what I replied to:
Originally posted by Cpt. Valerian
We still know shit about either of them. But, I have to say, if they were assigned to protect the Supreme Chancellor alongside Shaak Tii... My guess is they were powerful. Or at least, not average. I doubt Yoda or Mace would leave a job as important as protecting the Chancellor to average Jedi Masters.
This is what I said:
Why wouldn't they leave him in protection of 'average Jedi Masters'? They sent a Master and a Knight to rescue him off the enemy's flagship.
I asked why it was unreasonable for him to be left under the supervision of four masters. Then I pointed out that the council sent a master and a knight to rescue Palpatine in the next sentence. Hopefully you can comprehend that I didn't imply that Skywalker and Kenobi are average. I talked about one group of people, then the next. I said one group average, and didn't even say the word average about the next group.
Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I asked why it was unreasonable for him to be left under the supervision of four masters. Then I pointed out that the council sent a master and a knight to rescue Palpatine in the next sentence. Hopefully you can comprehend that I didn't imply that Skywalker and Kenobi are average. I talked about one group of people, then the next. I said one group average, and didn't even say the word average about the next group.
You said one group average and did not say anything different as to the next group. That implies they were also average.
"Why wouldn't they leave him in protection of 'average Jedi Masters'?"
Here you ask why he wouldn't be left with 'average Jedi Masters,' implying that said Masters are adequate.
"They sent a Master and a Knight to rescue him off the enemy's flagship."
Since you don't say anything as to the level of ability of "the Master" and "the Knight," the logical conclusion is that you're saying they are also average.