Originally posted by Kris Blaze
"mindrape"We can't assume that characters who've shown no resistance to telepathy are immune or resistant to it.
We also can't assume that they are susceptible to it.
As stated, Henshaw has actually shown more ability to mindrape than SS has, especially in the herald level foe category.
Originally posted by Avlon
He wasn't weakened....
If he wasn't weakened and that's a regular blaster, you don't think that's PIS, at all.
If you don't then just let's just end this discussion, as that would mean you are greatly underestimating Silver Surfer.
Originally posted by Avlon It should be in the title of the scan.
It's not.
Originally posted by Avlon Funny, so has Henshaw...but you want to go by lows vs highs. SS has a worse low as you have seen.
You actually spew that garbage and call me a fanboy?
He has survived blows from Galactus level beings, planetary destruction, harmlessly survived in black holes.
When has Henshaw, ever, EVER, survived a blow from a being at Galactus' level or close?
When has Henshaw ever, EVER, demonstrated, power sufficient for planetary destruction on a whim?
When has Henshaw ever, ever, EVER, survived in an environment or power equal to that of a black hole, if he can't even go toe to toe with Clark?
Originally posted by Avlon Like you're doing with Henshaw...
What?
Henshaw has never shown the abilities necessary, to take down Silver Surfer.
Going by that scan alone, then yes, Henshaw and anyone else with a lazer can knock out this cosmic level being.
Really, what issue was this in, because I really want to read it, and see the context for myself. Context change the value and meaning of a scan greatly.
Originally posted by Avlon If you are asking this question, it's safe that you have no kind of proof. 30+ years should be enough to provide lots of scans showing this type of things. Henshaws healing is far superior to Surfers. There isn't even a debate there.
I'm a bit confused here, sorry.
Do you mean, I have no proof of Norrin ever healing himself or someone?
He has healed himself and others on multiple occasions.
Henshaw can rebuild himself from nothing, so yes his healing is superior to Norrin's to a certain degree (So it could be debatable).
Did I ever say otherwise?
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Even deep space has subatomic, metallic particles zooming around. Tiny, tiny ones, but they're there. Literary example: ever read "Life, the Universe, and Everything?"
If Henshaw is as powerful as everyone makes him out to be, then he could reform even if they fought in "the blackness of space."
Although I really don't think he's as powerful as everyone seems to think he is. Superman, Kara, and Power Girl beat him with nothing more than punches.
Originally posted by Avlon
We also can't assume that they are susceptible to it.As stated, Henshaw has actually shown more ability to mindrape than SS has, especially in the herald level foe category.
"mindrape"
And yes we can. Otherwise it would be like assuming that energy blasts wouldn't work on a person, simply because they've never been attacked with any.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
[B]He wasn't weakened....If he wasn't weakened and that's a regular blaster, you don't think that's PIS, at all.
If you don't then just let's just end this discussion, as that would mean you are greatly underestimating Silver Surfer.
It should be in the title of the scan.
It's not.
Funny, so has Henshaw...but you want to go by lows vs highs. SS has a worse low as you have seen.
You actually spew that garbage and call me a fanboy?
He has survived blows from Galactus level beings, planetary destruction, harmlessly survived in black holes.
When has Henshaw, ever, ever, EVER, survived a blow from a being at Galactus' level or close?
When has Henshaw ever, ever, EVER, demonstrated, power sufficient for planetary destruction on a whim?
When has Henshaw ever, ever, EVER, survived in an environment or power equal to that of a black hole, if he can't even go toe to toe with Clark?
Like you're doing with Henshaw...
What?
Henshaw has never shown the abilities necessary, to take down Silver Surfer.
Going by that scan alone, then yes, Henshaw and anyone else with a lazer can knock out this cosmic level being.
Really, what issue was this in, because I really want to read it, and see the context for myself. Context change the value and meaning of a scan greatly.
If you are asking this question, it's safe that you have no kind of proof. 30+ years should be enough to provide lots of scans showing this type of things. Henshaws healing is far superior to Surfers. There isn't even a debate there.
I'm a bit confused here, sorry.
Do you mean, I have no proof of Norrin ever healing himself or someone?
Henshaw can rebuild himself from nothing, so yes his healing is superior to Norrin's to a degree.
Did I ever say otherwise?
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Use quotes. This is a mess to read through.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze
"mindrape"And yes we can. Otherwise it would be like assuming that energy blasts wouldn't work on a person, simply because they've never been attacked with any.
You can try and show an example and base a theory on it which is fine.
I'd like to see it considering that
* mindraping cyborgs and kryptonians are notoriosly difficult especially mid battle.
* Surfer has never mindraped anyone, much less another herald+ level foe.
* Henshaw's mindraped Hal (and he needed help to undo it) and understands TP well himself (as per my scans).
If you have something dude, feel free to show it.
Originally posted by Avlon
On the first page.Proof of SS mindraping anyone, especially a herald+ level foe?
He's resisted mental control from both Xavier and from what's her name (Moonstone? the celestial Madonna) with the Mind gem.
As far as I know, and I'm pretty sure about this, he's never really used mental attacks offensively.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh my bad.I umm, bolded your statements. I'll try and edit the post.
Btw, if you click the scan, it gives you the year, and issue number of the SS scan...
Originally posted by tjcoady
He's resisted mental control from both Xavier and from what's her name (Moonstone? the celestial Madonna) with the Mind gem.
Xavier isn't wrecking any top tier heralds with TP, and as for Moonstone, it's more PIS for the Gem, but acceptable for SS fans to debate should they choose.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
As far as I know, and I'm pretty sure about this, he's never really used mental attacks offensively.
That's why it's pretty moot to bring it up as a debate, though for discussion it's fine.
Originally posted by Avlon
On the first page.Proof of SS mindraping anyone, especially a herald+ level foe?
SS has telepathy showings that surpass most of those held by some of the best telepaths. He has affected the minds of evry being on earth simultaneously, invaded the mind and easily destroyed the mental defenses of the high level telepath that was messing up current nova with his psi shields on as well as shown the ability to use telepathy from galaxies away. He definitely has the feats that show the strength of his telepathy. CIS is what stops him from making use of it offensively in similar ways to guys like xavier
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If he wasn't weakened and that's a regular blaster, you don't think that's PIS, at all.
Perhaps it was, or maybe it was something that SS is weak to. Henshaw can find and adapt to weaknesses.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
If you don't then just let's just end this discussion, as that would mean you are greatly underestimating Silver Surfer.
Then I suggest you not overrate or underrate both ends here.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
It's not.
It's in the address bar...click it.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You actually spew that garbage and call me a fanboy?He has survived blows from Galactus level beings, planetary destruction, harmlessly survived in black holes.
When has Henshaw, ever, EVER, survived a blow from a being at Galactus' level or close?
When has Henshaw ever, EVER, demonstrated, power sufficient for planetary destruction on a whim?
When has Henshaw ever, ever, EVER, survived in an environment or power equal to that of a black hole, if he can't even go toe to toe with Clark?
The only thing that Henshaw hasn't shown is blowing up a planet on a whim (except in his xvover with SS strangely enough) bu then again, SS hasn't handled top tiers and multiple superman level foes simultaneously as easily as Henshaw has. Nor has he one shotted anyone on that level...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What?Henshaw has never shown the abilities necessary, to take down Silver Surfer.
I suggest you read up more on Henshaw.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Going by that scan alone, then yes, Henshaw and anyone else with a lazer can knock out this cosmic level being.
Henshaws weapons have hurt top tiers many a time.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Really, what issue was this in, because I really want to read it, and see the context for myself. Context change the value and meaning of a scan greatly.
Feel free. I have nothing to hide.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I'm a bit confused here, sorry.Do you mean, I have no proof of Norrin ever healing himself or someone?
He has healed himself and others on multiple occasions.
Healing a huge hole in himself, or rebuilding himself. I know SS can heal other...I'm familiar with both characters.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Henshaw can rebuild himself from nothing, so yes his healing is superior to Norrin's to a certain degree (So it could be debatable).
Henshaw has far superior healing. There is no debate there.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I know that there must be context that you are leaving out, for example Norrin could have been weakened etc. because if not, that would be his lowest showing in his entire history.
Actually, being hit in the back of the head and KO'd by a brick from Karnak would probably be his all-time low.
As for this mindraping buisness, i'm not sure, but hasent the Surfer read or controlled the minds of an entire world before? I'm just asking because i'm uncertain, but I swear I read or saw that somewhere. If not, sorry.
Originally posted by Naija boy
SS has telepathy showings that surpass most of those held by some of the best telepaths.
I'll let you debate that with TP character fanboys. I'm pretty sure that they would disagree with you wholeheartedly.
On top of that..Henshaw HAS used mindrape offensively and in mid-battle on a herald level foe.
Originally posted by tkitna
Actually, being hit in the back of the head and KO'd by a brick from Karnak would probably be his all-time low.As for this mindraping buisness, i'm not sure, but hasent the Surfer read or controlled the minds of an entire world before? I'm just asking because i'm uncertain, but I swear I read or saw that somewhere. If not, sorry.
I'd say the poisoned coffee or being entangled in hair would be the worst...