how fast can superman fly?

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Anyone who plays the "suspension" of disbelief card is a hypocrite. If no rules where applicable to comics then no one would ever be entitled to complain about continuity, or that silly little concept that Kmc has invented ... PIS. Comics obviously have applicable rules, if they didn't no one would read them. The only reason they have become more sophisticated over the last few years is that, more "rules" have been applied. If you can't see that then you are a moron. So play the whole, "you shouldn't give a shit about plot consistency, because it doesn't really matter"; card. But in the end it makes you a hypocrite. If you can't understand that common sense should be applied to comics, then your an idiot. Its not my fault that you are too ignorant to see the counter intuitiveness of F.T.L. speeds, without deus ex machinas (like quantum mechanics, mentioned earlier). IMO you might as well be some kind of ignorant zealot dogmatically stating that comic book "earths" should be flat. Just because you don't understand the retardedness of F.T.L. travel, doesn't mean that it should be ignored. And that is basically your point !!1

so, am I a hypocrite, a moron, an idiot, ignorant, or a zealot?

or all of the above...

How does crossing distances in a faster time than light would take not make someone lightspeed?

Unless you are denying that speed = distance/time

And if that was true the entire laws of physics and logic would fall apart and nothing would make sense, so you might as well just take a pencil and scribble randomly on a page and say that's a comic because it would make just as much sense.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I agree. I mean, in late '99-'00 Superman himself said he couldn't go faster than light. I realize he's been upgraded once or twice since, but even uber Supermen like Prime seem to imply they can't...I mean, Prime states that he was going to "fly through Oa at light speed" in order to destroy it. DC seems to have a great grasp on physics. Nothing with mass should be able to hit light speed, because the energy needed to hit that speed goes to infinity (due to mass increasing exponentially.) Flash can do it because the Speed Force says, "Hey - **** Einstein." On panel - via narration, Supes has gone light speed before. Most of the limited amount of times he's supposedly gone over are vague. Relying on distances where none is mentioned or # of panels used, etc. So evidence for him being FTL can be argued either way...and IMO, he's not.

GO AWAY! football

Explain how marvel char can go light speed ?

Originally posted by skygunner41
GO AWAY! football

Explain how marvel char can go light speed ?

I don't recall Marvel being very big on Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. DC uses it all the time.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't recall Marvel being very big on Einstein's Special Theory of Relativity. DC uses it all the time.

doesn't mean DC use it all the time though and btw how about some info marvel about FTL char.what the explanation.

Originally posted by skygunner41
btw how about some info marvel about FTL char.what the explanation.

Or how about you stay on the topic.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Or how about you stay on the topic.

likewise.

Arguing superman isn't ftl is nothing short of retarded,he grabbed a person and moved them out of a city in less then a nano second(light travels 1 foot in a nanosecond)he has flown to the sun and back in 2 minutes(16 minute trip at light speed)he has flown to edges of saturn in 4 minutes(light takes about 36+minutes to do the same)he travelled 25 light years in a couple minutes during countdown and during infinite crisis he travelled over a million light years in a short amount of time,there is no arguing anything hes far far ftl.

The question is does he need to go FTL every time?

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Arguing superman isn't ftl is nothing short of retarded

I wasn't really arguing. I was pointing out there is contradictory evidence.

There isn't any contradictory evidence unless you are using superman from around 1998 aka before he was powered up to hit light speed again,he gets stronger every year he is under yellow sun and infinite crisis specifically powered him up when he got his powers back,these days hes at planet shattering far ftl travelling gets knocked out but not really harmed by a supernova levels,either hes ftl or he somehow bends spacetime to arrive at distances impossible to achieve with less then light speed.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I agree. I mean, in late '99-'00 Superman himself said he couldn't go faster than light. I realize he's been upgraded once or twice since, but even uber Supermen like Prime seem to imply they can't...I mean, Prime states that he was going to "fly through Oa at light speed" in order to destroy it. DC seems to have a great grasp on physics. Nothing with mass should be able to hit light speed, because the energy needed to hit that speed goes to infinity (due to mass increasing exponentially.) Flash can do it because the Speed Force says, "Hey - **** Einstein." On panel - via narration, Supes has gone light speed before. Most of the limited amount of times he's supposedly gone over are vague. Relying on distances where none is mentioned or # of panels used, etc. So evidence for him being FTL can be argued either way...and IMO, he's not.

batman disagrees.

distance and time. awesome

Originally posted by Cartesian Doubt
Anyone who plays the "suspension" of disbelief card is a hypocrite. If no rules where applicable to comics then no one would ever be entitled to complain about continuity, or that silly little concept that Kmc has invented ... PIS. Comics obviously have applicable rules, if they didn't no one would read them. The only reason they have become more sophisticated over the last few years is that, more "rules" have been applied. If you can't see that then you are a moron. So play the whole, "you shouldn't give a shit about plot consistency, because it doesn't really matter"; card. But in the end it makes you a hypocrite. If you can't understand that common sense should be applied to comics, then your an idiot. Its not my fault that you are too ignorant to see the counter intuitiveness of F.T.L. speeds, without deus ex machinas (like quantum mechanics, mentioned earlier). IMO you might as well be some kind of ignorant zealot dogmatically stating that comic book "earths" should be flat. Just because you don't understand the retardedness of F.T.L. travel, doesn't mean that it should be ignored. And that is basically your point !!1

uhh... no.

common sense? good. logic? fine. application of real world science to several of superman's abilities? no. it's been stated before that his powers (most of them anyways) by their nature contradict scientific fact.

also, coming off a little harsh there, no?

Originally posted by Raoul
batman disagrees.

distance and time. awesome

Pfft. I know you photoshopped that.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Pfft. I know you photoshopped that.

He did photoshop it.

Batman originally said that superman would be back in less than 12 hours.

Everybody else just waited on him... 😄

Originally posted by Enyalus
Pfft. I know you photoshopped that.

😆

Originally posted by Eel O'Brien
He did photoshop it.

Batman originally said that superman would be back in less than 12 hours.

Everybody else just waited on him... 😄

😂

Well a rough estimate would be several hundred times the speed of light, not really quantfied unfortunatly as far as his base stats are concerned.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Yeah but you have your legs moving faster when you sprint. What does he make move faster when he flies?

I know this was from the first page, but it's actually a good question. From what I've seen eluded to in his comics,it would seem supes"flight"operates as another fucntion of movement that is controlled mentally....as you would expect with any bodily movement such walking,running,throwing a punch or whatever. Being able to"fly faster"would be like knowing how run faster or how to throw a jab quicker...it all comes down to movement economy.

Originally posted by Raoul
😆

I guess, then, my answer to the OP would be something to the affect of, "As fast as he needs or wants to go, so long as that is less than the Flash's top speed."

Originally posted by Enyalus
I guess, then, my answer to the OP would be something to the affect of, "As fast as he needs or wants to go, so long as that is less than the Flash's top speed."

sounds right to me, given that the flash rarely goes as fast as he can... awesome

Originally posted by Raoul
sounds right to me, given that the flash rarely goes as fast as he can... awesome

Like in FC when he was struggling to go superluminal?

*sigh* I like Flash too much.