Luke Cage (with upgrade) vs Abomination

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Iron Fist punched through Nuul right in the ticker

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Originally posted by carver9
He was getting stabbed in the neck, arm, etc... and not just simple stabbed either, it was stab and then slash. Ironfist actions afterwards is irrelevant.

So you're saying a stabbed up Rag is on Abomb level physically? I doubt you even believe this.

Let me check out this showing of Namor and Ironfist.

And he's a fucking cyborg, so he wasn't bothered by it that much; in fact, he kept fighting just fine despite his injuries and continued to beat on the Avengers...

Iron Fist was the only one who finally put him down for the count. So yeah, that was a helluva feat, team effort or not.

Much more impressive than Herc one-shotting Abomination with a fucking streetlamp... 😆

I want somebody in my life to make excuses for me like Bran does for Carver in every thread.

Thanks for the heads up, youknowwhoyouare. 👆

Ever hear of a character called Bres?

He did this:

And, Danny did this to him:

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And he's a fucking cyborg, so he wasn't bothered by it that much; in fact, he kept fighting just fine despite his injuries and continued to beat on the Avengers...

Iron Fist was the only one who finally put him down for the count. So yeah, that was a helluva feat, team effort or not.

Much more impressive than Herc one-shotting Abomination with a fucking streetlamp... 😆

Not sure him being a cyborg changes anything that much it's still damage.

Originally posted by cdtm
Thanks for the heads up, youknowwhoyouare. 👆

Ever hear of a character called Bres?

He did this:

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And, Danny did this to him:

*skip*

Yeah, another great feat by Rand 👆

Before the Book of the Iron Fist upgrade, even.

Here it is without that photobucket ad:

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Originally posted by Philosophía
I want somebody in my life to make excuses for me like Bran does for Carver in every thread.

Originally posted by One Big Mob
Gotta support the team. I've never had anything bad to say about Carver because he's never let me down.
The guy goes out there and just puts it all on the line, and it's just a sight to behold. I respect the heck outta him and I hope he knows it. 👆

Originally posted by Deadline
Not sure him being a cyborg changes anything that much it's still damage.

Agreed, but there is no reason to dismiss it completely. Most feats can be nitpicked to shit. The Namor/Cage fight you mentioned is no exception.

Doc Green felt Rand's punch, Skaar was sent flying, Skadi got knocked on her ass, IF even saved Cap from P5 Namor.

It can and has affected characters in the Abomination tier (or above it), that's the point.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
And he's a fucking cyborg, so he wasn't bothered by it that much; in fact, he kept fighting just fine despite his injuries and continued to beat on the Avengers...

Iron Fist was the only one who finally put him down for the count. So yeah, that was a helluva feat, team effort or not.

Much more impressive than Herc one-shotting Abomination with a fucking streetlamp... 😆

So we dont count the injuries he took?

Come on Stilt. It does matter whi is swinging that street lamp.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Agreed, but there is no reason to dismiss it completely. Most feats can be nitpicked to shit. The Namor/Cage fight you mentioned is no exception.

Doc Green felt Rand's punch, Skaar was sent flying, Skadi got knocked on her ass, IF even saved Cap from P5 Namor.

It can and has affected characters in the Abomination tier (or above it), that's the point.

There is a difference though. Ironfist humiliates him. Danny moving top tiers is completely different than getting wrecked by him.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Professor Hulk, Proxima Midnight, Wrecker, T-Bolts Juggs, Rhino, Colossus, Thing, Namor, Dr. Doom, Iron Man, Ironclad, Count Nefaria, Ethan Edwards...

... with various results, of course.

Abomination is not exactly known for his perfect track record. KOing Cage is already not so easy, now add adamantium and HF on top of that.

Believe me, I'd love Blonsky to pummel him, but black man does what he wants in modern Marvel.

I guess Carver never heard "Where's my money, honey?" Doom outright name dropped Hulk and Thing, claiming Cage did more damage to his suit then any of them.

He fought evenly with Iron Man within his first five issues of Power Man.

So did Iron Fist, early in his series. Cage ended up looking better then Danny did, and he fought older armor.

The 1990's Cage series, had him holding his own with all sorts, from Rhino to Thing to Hulk. Hated his 90's outfit, though.

Originally posted by carver9
So we dont count the injuries he took?

Come on Stilt. It does matter whi is swinging that street lamp.

We do.

It just doesn't matter as much as with, say, Abomination... who would choke on his own blood from a single stab wound.

Clor was more of a machine than an Asgardian - a machine that was still kicking ass before Danny stopped it.

A streetlamp is still just a streetlamp. It's worth noting that it was still in one piece, although bent... so Herc was holding back a great deal, too 🙂

Originally posted by carver9
There is a difference though. Ironfist humiliates him. Danny moving top tiers is completely different than getting wrecked by him.

Like when? Thunderbolts, when Cage only talked him down, helping him to overcome the mind-control thing?

They both have done well against each other, it's something Danny admitted on panel, actually.

👆 That's right, Cage wasn't really trying to beat Danny in Thunderbolts.

The fact he was able to fend him off for a time, while Danny was trying to KILL him, is actually a feat for Cage.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We do.

It just doesn't matter as much as with, say, Abomination... who would choke on his own blood from a single stab wound.

Clor was more of a machine than an Asgardian - a machine that was still kicking ass before Danny stopped it.

A streetlamp is still just a streetlamp. It's worth noting that it was still in one piece, although bent... so Herc was holding back a great deal, too 🙂

Lol... as long as we agree it matters. Ragnorak was screaming in pain from the stabs. I think being a Cyborg changes nothing. He felt that pain just like anyone else would.

Abomination has had his head caved in and was still asking for more. I doubt an ark and chest stab would take him out of a fight. Lol.

He was a machine, screaming in pain from Wolverine stabs.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125392/2927437-007.jpg
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Here's Abomination, being hit by Herc and a lamppost, and out for the fight:
https://imgur.com/a/E5rSRSL

I wager adamantium is harder than a street lamppost.

Here's Wolverine, who is far weaker, showing how punches from him hit harder due to his adamantium knuckles:
https://imgur.com/a/Qml88

Here's Abom, with his skull caved in.....he's hardly asking for more, lol:
https://imgur.com/a/hhX6WJx

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^You need factor in that wolevrien is a martial expert as well. It's not all blunt force trauma.

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... as long as we agree it matters. Ragnorak was screaming in pain from the stabs. I think being a Cyborg changes nothing. He felt that pain just like anyone else would.

Abomination has had his head caved in and was still asking for more. I doubt an ark and chest stab would take him out of a fight. Lol.

He was a machine, screaming in pain from Wolverine stabs.

https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125392/2927437-007.jpg
https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/125392/2927439-008.jpg

Just like your Hulk was screaming from Hawkeye's arrows and Spider Woman's blasts under the same writer.

Does the damage Clor took lessen IF's feat? Of course it does.

But it doesn't lessen it to the degree you wish it did. Your claim that Iron Fist does nothing to Abom level characters was wrong, plain and simple.