Doctor Doom vs Juggernaut

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
PIS.

Cain was immobilized by them IIRC. It was Strange again who cast the spell.

Captain Britain also broke them.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
PIS.

Cain was immobilized by them IIRC. It was Strange again who cast the spell.

As far as I know, only Cyttorak himself has used the Crimson Bands on Cain. I don't think Cain has even really fought Dr. Strange outside of that one meeting where they didn't really fight each other. I think that the strength of the Bands also depends on the user. So Cyttorak's spell is more powerful and stronger than Dr. Strange's.

Originally posted by long pig
Hulk gets wrapped up in the bands, even he can't get out. He's tried thousands of times but he's only been able to on an alternate dimension.

Honestly, anyone breaking the bands is PIS. They are as strong as the binding that holds the universe together, and as far as I know, Hulk or Namor aren't stronger than the universe.

He gets Hulk.

He gets Namor. He didn't even have to use the bands with Namor.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
As far as I know, only Cyttorak himself has used the Crimson Bands on Cain. I don't think Cain has even really fought Dr. Strange outside of that one meeting where they didn't really fight each other. I think that the strength of the Bands also depends on the user. So Cyttorak's spell is more powerful and stronger than Dr. Strange's.

Strength of the Bands is always the same - all the user has to do is bind the target and maintain the spell.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Strength of the Bands is always the same - all the user has to do is bind the target and maintain the spell.

So when Hulk broke out of the Bands, it was because Dr. Strange couldn't keep the spell going?

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
So when Hulk broke out of the Bands, it was because Dr. Strange couldn't keep the spell going?

What issue? Is that canon?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What issue? Is that canon?

It's in a Hulk comic. I think Grey Hulk was possessed by something. It turned him all black and had a different attitude about him. I'll look for it, but it will take me a while.

Doom can fly, so Juggernaut's gonna do what exactly :/

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
It takes a lot of magic of incredible strength to affect him.

Yeah, like Shatterstar's sword.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
I'll look for it, but it will take me a while.

Thanks.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Doom can fly, so Juggernaut's gonna do what exactly :/

QFT.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yeah, like Shatterstar's sword.

To be fair, in the same issue he was scratched by Feral. PIS incarnated.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Doom can fly, so Juggernaut's gonna do what exactly :/

Yeah, like Shatterstar's sword.

Yeah because in that issue his sword did nothing but piss him off. He regenerated like a second later. His magic was not of sufficient strength to actually hurt him.

It seems I was somewhat wrong. This is Dark Hulk, and he broke them by some other means than by strength.

The Crimson bands depend on who invokes them. As mentioned Namor broke them, so did Quasar/Captain Britain and Sentry did IIRC.

In a random encounter, Juggernaut destroys Doom.

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Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
No Doom can't just use Cyttorak's power against him. Unless I'm mistaken he hasn't tried to do anything magical that pertains to Cyttorak's power.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
The Crimson bands depend on who invokes them. As mentioned Namor broke them, so did Quasar/Captain Britain and Sentry did IIRC.

In a random encounter, Juggernaut destroys Doom.

I could be wrong though.

Originally posted by Mindset
I don't remember Sentry ever being bound by the bands.

I could be wrong though.

How far away do they start out from each other? Can Cain break Doom's force fields.

Doom used them on Iron Man, not Sentry.

The Mighty Avengers #9

Originally posted by Nihilist
didnt doom use them on him recently,also a superskrull broke out of strange bands in Illuminati.

Namor only broke out of the Crimson Bands when Dr. Strange had already been knocked unconscious.

Dr. Strange once turned the Crimson Bands against Dr. Doom, who at the time, cast them incorrectly.

Captain Britain and Quasar broke the Crimson Bands after Modred had already left the area and was running around with a mind-controlled Phoenix trying to advance his evil plans.

Strength of Crimson Bands are directly affected by the amount of unbroken concentration the caster has at that time. Which might be meaningless since I don't know whether the Crimson Bands, unless used by Cytorrak himself, would be useful against an avatar of Cytorrak, which Juggernaut is IIRC. And without BFR he ain't beating Juggernaut. Doom's stolen magical power before, but I don't see him stealing Juggernaut's power except through the slimmest of possibilities.

9/10 Curbstomp for Juggernaut.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
No. Doom used different magic on Sentry. The Skrull-Bolt did break out of the Crimson Bands, which Dr. Strange cast in his Astral Form and also later mentions something along the lines that he wasn't prepared. Also, he's been depowered somehow and is trying to relearn his magic.

Namor only broke out of the Crimson Bands when Dr. Strange had already been knocked unconscious.

Dr. Strange once turned the Crimson Bands against Dr. Doom, who at the time, cast them incorrectly.

Captain Britain and Quasar broke the Crimson Bands after Modred had already left the area and was running around with a mind-controlled Phoenix trying to advance his evil plans.

Strength of Crimson Bands are directly affected by the amount of unbroken concentration the caster has at that time. Which might be meaningless since I don't know whether the Crimson Bands, unless used by Cytorrak himself, would be useful against an avatar of Cytorrak, which Juggernaut is IIRC. And without BFR he ain't beating Juggernaut. Doom's stolen magical power before, but I don't see him stealing Juggernaut's power except through the slimmest of possibilities.

9/10 Curbstomp for Juggernaut.