Surfer travels thru solar systems on a regular basis and can open wormholes to travel great distances in blink of an eye.
As fast as flash is, I haven't seen him travel between solar systems in a blink of an eye.
I don't know, unless I see something impressive about Flash spanning light year distances, I'll have to give this to SS. I'd love to see scans that'll prove me wrong tho.
On short range courses (less than a planet's distance), tho, Flash wins hands down.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
if flash steals his speed SS opens up a wormhole instead to get their . 😛sides flash as a range limit for that trick
Range limit?
What the hell are you talking about?
He stole the speed of the entire planet, including the Superhuman population such as Superman, Jay Garrick etc. while across space and time.
Range limit my ass.
Yea, a wormhole is perfect except Wally can outrun time and space limitations so....
The dude, was able to run through Entropy and the building blocks of creation if I remember correctly.
Originally posted by Mindset
I'm fully aware of what Flash is capable of, you don't seem to be aware of what SS is.
Wally is fast enough to make Silver Surfer look stupid.
He has the abilities to travel across space. Throw in the fact that he can fly and that must make him that much faster, and he can always steal Silver Surfer's speed etc. how is there any other outcome than Wally winning.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusStealing speed is not racing, you thinking Wally wins before SS even realized the race has started is stupid, tbh.
Wally is fast enough to make Silver Surfer look stupid.He has the abilities to travel across space. Throw in the fact that he can fly and that must make him that much faster, and he can always steal Silver Surfer's speed etc. how is there any other outcome than Wally winning.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Surfer travels thru solar systems on a regular basis and can open wormholes to travel great distances in blink of an eye.As fast as flash is, I haven't seen him travel between solar systems in a blink of an eye.
I don't know, unless I see something impressive about Flash spanning light year distances, I'll have to give this to SS. I'd love to see scans that'll prove me wrong tho.
On short range courses (less than a planet's distance), tho, Flash wins hands down.
Wally doesn't travel in space, but in different instances, he runs across space and time.
The cosmic gambler story line etc. he was covering a race course woven across existence if I recall.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Wally is fast enough to make Silver Surfer look stupid.He has the abilities to travel across space. Throw in the fact that he can fly and that must make him that much faster, and he can always steal Silver Surfer's speed etc. how is there any other outcome than Wally winning.
Please what proof is there of this? Name his quantifiable speed feats that show this. Also stealing surfers speed isnt likely to work. Stealing speed has to do with flash taking a beings kinetic energy. SS has control over his bodily energies and further replenishes it by absorbing the universes ambient energy.
Originally posted by Wild Shadow
SS is capable of analyzing and reacting in half a nano sec. and already be past light speed. check his respect thread.
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Are you comparing that to Wally?
Wally has saved a city of over half a million at basically the same time from the world's point of view, from a Nuke that had already exploded. He was half across the world when it was dropped on it's target in a good deal less time than it took Norrin to react to something if I remember correctly.
Flash searched every single face in a crowd of over half a million, picked out 3 people, and tossed them at Green Lantern's incoming attack (He was faster than light there) in less than a pico second.
Norrin should be able to react faster han that by the way.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Please what proof is there of this? Name his quantifiable speed feats that show this. Also stealing surfers speed isnt likely to work. Stealing speed has to do with flash taking a beings kinetic energy. SS has control over his bodily energies and further replenishes it by absorbing the universes ambient energy.
What do you mean quantifiable feats?
He has plenty.
He doesn't cover the Universe, or Solar System's etc. regularly like Norrin but if you enough attention you can tell that he easily can if need be.
The dude, ran and was winning against a being from a species that was "naturally" faster than light (If I recall the finer details) and had the entire speed of his entire race augmenting his own, his entire race of faster than light beings. An entire planet full I believe.
He outran death, and was running past entropy, and the building blocks of creation.
He ran across a race track woven across all of existence etc. etc.
I am not calling Norrin slow.
Hardly, I would always argue for Norrin if anyone underestimates him but he is simply out classed here.
A better match would be, is who is faster between Clark and Norrin in my opinion.
Oh, and Wally stealing speed is not purely kinetic. From what I understand, it also has something to do with a beings connection to the Speed Force and how he can affect it, or am I recalling it wrong?
Why not?
I don't believe it's only kinetic based etc.
If he can do it to an entire planet full of meta humans and humans, all moving at their fastest (The entire world running and meta humans like the energy Superman, Jay Garrick, Jesse Quick, Bart etc. running across the planet at his greatest), it shouldn't be so hard to accept.
Tie is Wally plays it smart.
This is a dumb thread, both fighters abilities are absurd. The flash should not get touched, but I don't see him hurting the silver surfer. Still I'm sure we've all read some PIS where Wally has gotten struck by some attack before, or taken out.
So I will be safe and say stalemate
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
What do you mean quantifiable feats?He has plenty.
He doesn't cover the Universe, or Solar System's etc. regularly like Norrin but if you enough attention you can tell that he easily can if need be.
The dude, ran and was winning against a being from a species that was "naturally" faster than light (If I recall the finer details) and had the entire speed of his entire race augmenting his own, his entire race of faster than light beings. An entire planet full I believe.
He outran death, and was running past entropy, and the building blocks of creation.
He ran across a race track woven across all of existence etc. etc.
I am not calling Norrin slow.
Hardly, I would always argue for Norrin if anyone underestimates him but he is simply out classed here.
A better match would be, is who is faster between Clark and Norrin in my opinion.
He outran a species of creatures naturally faster than light? What can we infer from that? That he is faster than light? Hardly useful considering norrin is billions of times faster than light.
He outran death? Do u mean that black racer incident? that is entirely unquantifiable as we reallhy have no idea of how fast he was going.
Running across a race track woven across all existence tells us the length of the race track. How long did it take him to run across it? If we dont have at least some idea of the time frame it is hardly a useful example. also id like to see this instance u are referring to. what comic did it happen in?
Norrin himself is billions of times faster than light so saying he is outclassed by flash in a race is just a joke