Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosithe anti moniter traveled to the beginning of time, intending to stop the formation of the positive matter multiverse,which the spectre stopped him from doing.thats what he was told to do.
and he failed to do so fully backed by God. Unless your saying the AM is greater then the LT, Beyonder & TOAA
That's the thing right there. A huge fallacy from the "If The Presence wants Spectre to win, he does" argument. I'm inclined to say that line of thought borders on retardation.
Because clearly against COIE AM Spectre had God's full backing. Not only that, but he had an amp from dozens of powerful mages and 5-D beings. He still did not "win." So there goes that line of thought. And is someone really going to tell me that all of the times Spectre has lost (and there have been enough), God didn't want him to win? Like, for instance, the 5th Dimension War in the previous volume of JLA...which was going to destroy planet Earth and could've ended up wiping out all reality. Spectre was bound and beaten, in the Void. God wanted him to lose? Seriously, that's the Spectre base's argument?
I'm left to conclude that either a) God is a bastard. (I like that one, personally.) Or b) that line of thought is totally false.
There's also been the argument that, 'When Spectre has The Presence's backing, he's the Wrath of God.' And my reply to this is: No - he is always God's "fist." Spectre without God's backing doesn't become a different entity. He doesn't change his essence. He doesn't become something different. Case in point is the hostless Spectre of DOV. That incarnation did not have The Presence's support. In point of fact, The Presence wasn't even aware Spectre was off of his leash until he had destroyed the current Age of Magic. Was Spectre something different? Of course not. He was still the wrath of God. Still, quite literally, the spirit of Vengeance.
And he loses here, since this is Current Spectre.