Which movie version of the Joker is the most dangerous?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Oh really? Do you think? 😐

Nicholson still showed several times in the movie to genuinely fear death and pain, Ledger did not.

What times would this have been?

Nicholson version of the Joker challenges Batman to a direct confrontation and stood still while Batman was firing and shooting missiles from a plane how is that scared of death? He also had to escape a building that Batman blew up. The fact is if Ledger's version of the Joker went against Keaton's Batman he would have die quite quickly.

The only time I remember Jacks joker being scare of death was when he was still jack napier and not the joker.

Also best scene ever

joker- "Come on you gruesome son of a *****, come to me , ha ha ha come on."

Originally posted by Kotor3
What times would this have been?

Nicholson version of the Joker challenges Batman to a direct confrontation and stood still while Batman was firing and shooting missiles from a plane how is that scared of death? He also had to escape a building that Batman blew up. The fact is if Ledger's version of the Joker went against Keaton's Batman he would have die quite quickly.

How would Ledger's Joker die quickly? Keaton's Batman was not as skilled as Bale's, Ledger's Joker was a far better planner and strategist, hell, I would wager that Joker in the scenario where he fought Batman in The Dark Knight could very likely beat Keaton's Batman.

Originally posted by Toku King
Ledger's Joker was the best [b]and the most dangerous of the live action Jokers. [/B]

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
First of all, Keaton's Batman had trouble with Joker's hench-men. Bale's took on Joker's henchman, more than Keaton's in fact, along with a Swat team squad. And did not get injured at all, and all of them had guns.

In the 1989 version we knew where the hench-men came from, the top criminal syndicate in Gotham. We saw all types throw at Batman, those skilled in martial arts, swordplay, guns, and just plain tough. This is what we would expect from the Joker’s hench-men. We see it in the animated series and comics. Batman only had trouble once and that was against the big black guy. Remember Batman was already dazed from his crash with the plane.

The hench-men of the Joker in the Dark Night, where did they come from? I do not recall seeing any of them using martial arts or any who were like the black guy in the 1989 version unusually big and though. They were all a walk in the park. Bale’s version of Batman wore a suit in which dogs were able to bit through. He definitely would not have been able to fight the guy in the 1989 version with the swords just blocking with his suit.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Joker was whining like a little girl when Batman confronted him physically, Joker hurt his hand when he punched Batman for Christ's sake. Oh, and he did not laugh as he fell off the building, he screamed. The laughing was a pre-recorded message in his vest.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
How would Ledger's Joker die quickly? Keaton's Batman was not as skilled as Bale's, Ledger's Joker was a far better planner and strategist, hell, I would wager that Joker in the scenario where he fought Batman in The Dark Knight could very likely beat Keaton's Batman.

Originally posted by Kotor3
Let us look at the difference between the hench-men in the 1989 version and those in the Dark Night.

In the 1989 version we knew where the hench-men came from, the top criminal syndicate in Gotham. We saw all types throw at Batman, those skilled in martial arts, swordplay, guns, and just plain tough. This is what we would expect from the Joker’s hench-men. We see it in the animated series and comics. Batman only had trouble once and that was against the big black guy. Remember Batman was already dazed from his crash with the plane.

The hench-men of the Joker in the Dark Night, where did they come from? I do not recall seeing any of them using martial arts or any who were like the black guy in the 1989 version unusually big and though. They were all a walk in the park. Bale’s version of Batman wore a suit in which dogs were able to bit through. He definitely would not have been able to fight the guy in the 1989 version with the swords just blocking with his suit.

Whining because he knew Batman was there for one purpose to kill him. Ledger’s Joker never faced a Batman who wanted to kill him. Trying to provoke someone to kill you and knowing they actually will is quite different.

He would die quickly for the following reasons:
Keaton’s version does not need to be provoke to kill if given the opportunity he will do it.
Keaton’s version was very intelligent as shown in how he was able to figure out the Joker formula for causing the cosmetic scared and locating the Joker’s hideouts.
Keaton’s version is actually more skilled he wasn’t taught by one master like Bale’s version and actually amazed the Joker with his wonderful toys. Not once was Ledger’s Joker amazed at Batman.
Keaton’s version in both his movies actually displayed much more visual hand to hand combat than both of Bale movies.
As for Ledger’s Joker killing Keaton’s Batman you are going way too far. Keaton’s Batman armor would break Ledger’s hands and Batman would kill him quite easily.

2. Exactly, he was afraid of death. Ledger's Joker was laughing when he thought he was falling to his death, and made a grunt of disappointment when he lived.

3. Granted. Although Joker would not handle him the way he did Bale's, he would shoot him since Keaton would be no "fun."

He had chemical knowledge. TDK's Batman modified tech to allow him view of the entire city to find Joker who eluded said cities police and out-smarted them all, and made ridiculously elaborate plans and plans within plans. He then captured him.

Fallacious argument. Quality, not quantity. Bale's Batman outmaneuvered and defeated a Swat Team squad along with many of Joker's henchmen, he easily beat back multiple offenders armed with guns and captured them, he is visibly faster as well.

No, he really would not. Joker would have no fun with Keaton. He would kill Keaton, not toy with him like Bale.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. You missed the part where I said Batman took down the Swat team. Batman had trouble with more than just the black guy, several hench-men were throwing him around. And said black guy was just a big dude, never showed any exceptional fighting prowess. And the Joker's henchmen in TDK were from Arkham Asylum. Bale's Batman was faster, and was a better martial artist, and his suit was more flexible and maneuverable.

Bale took down some swat team members not the whole team. The black guy in Keaton’s version was punching through Batman’s bullet proof armored suit. He was like a wrestler. You also are leaving out the fact that Batman was dazed from the plane crash.

Could you provide the occasions when the Joker’s hench-men threw Batman around in the 1989 version, because I do not recall?

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
2. Exactly, he was afraid of death. Ledger's Joker was laughing when he thought he was falling to his death, and made a grunt of disappointment when he lived.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
3. Granted. Although Joker would not handle him the way he did Bale's, he would shoot him since Keaton would be no "fun."

I personally think both were dangerous in their own right. I like Jack's schemes better since Heath's Joker stuck to barrels of explosives too much for my liking lol, and Jack's diversified a bit more but Heath definitely had more psychological schemes.

Originally posted by Kotor3
You made some good points that support your arguments and when it comes down to it we are going to see things differently because our opinions of the movies differ. So I will do my best to not address what is opinion but only the facts.

Bale took down some swat team members not the whole team. The black guy in Keaton’s version was punching through Batman’s bullet proof armored suit. He was like a wrestler. You also are leaving out the fact that Batman was dazed from the plane crash.

Could you provide the occasions when the Joker’s hench-men threw Batman around in the 1989 version, because I do not recall?

If this is the way you feel then fine but I already justified how the Joker was not scared of death when he stood in front of Batman’s plane shooting at him and was dancing while Batman was in his presence, a Batman who was on the edge of killing him. The 1989 Joker acted the same way the Joker has in the comics and animated series if caught by Batman.

Wouldn’t help the Joker since Keaton’s suit was bullet proof.

2. It happened in the final confrontation of Joker and Batman.

3. He cowered like a little girl and screamed like one when he fell. When Ledger fell, he was estatic with manic laughter. As for the plane, ever consider he knew the missiles would not hit him?

4. His face wasn't.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. He took down like 30 or more members. Easily. Without being so much as grazed. "Like a wrestler?" Lol wut? He was just a big street brawler dude. And thing is, Batman's mouth is not armoured, where he was mostly hit. And yeah he was dazed, sure.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
2. It happened in the final confrontation of Joker and Batman.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
3. He cowered like a little girl and screamed like one when he fell. When Ledger fell, he was estatic with manic laughter. As for the plane, ever consider he knew the missiles would not hit him?

Originally posted by Kotor3
I do not recall 30 or more members. I do agree that everyone Batman fought in TDK was easy for him. I am not surprise at that since Two Face was able to appear in the car of a crime lord and shoot the driver as if he had no security. The script was poorly written when it came to visual action scenes. If you were to watch the 1989 version again you will see that the big street brawler as you call him was hitting Batman in his body not his face.

You originally implied that this occurred on more than one occasion. Right as I said before only the big black guy when Batman was already dazed from the plane crash.

Know the missiles are not going to hit him? You’re kidding I hope. Ok if you want to say he cowered to make yourself feel better then fine. For the record it is not true.

2. Multiple people did it in the scene, not just the big black guy.

3. He did cower. Do you want me to get the vid and prove it? Because that is what he did.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
The big street brawler(who still should never have posed a challenge against Batman even if he had a broken arm or something going by comics) bloodied his lip.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
2. Multiple people did it in the scene, not just the big black guy.

Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
3. He did cower. Do you want me to get the vid and prove it? Because that is what he did.

Originally posted by Final Blaxican
My autistic older brother has no fear of pain or death. Srsly, I spent the last two days knocking him around.

Just to let you know, I'm autistic, and it doesn't have anything to do with not fearing pain and/or death, if that's what your implying.

It's a brain development disorder, that's all.

As for the OP's question: Heath's Joker is the more dangerous Joker, I think.

Is it really a contest.....Jacks joker was hands down more dangerous....as his method of changing gothamites into versions of himself was just scary..and way more of a threat..and i agree with some other posters,jack's henchmen were far superior and more dangerous than heaths.heaths joker was the average terrorist..with some flair...thats what you get when you try and make a more real movie about a comic book character=Fail

deffinately Heath's Joker
just the way he didnt have any feelings towards the people he killed and the fact that he didnt feel any remorse when killing someone
he joked around when he blew up a friggin hospital!
he didnt do it for revenge just for fun
like he told Harvey/Two-Face, hes just a dog chasing cars, doing it to do it

Jack's Joker had no remorse either. He thought it was funny for people to die with a smile on their face. And he shot his own henchman for not telling him that Batman had something to steal his balloons with lol

Ledger's Joker was more scarier because no one knows anything...not how he came to be, who he really is...nothing. I definitely won't deny that Jack's Joker was vicious, but Ledger's did a lot more damage to Gotham. Plus, he didn't fear death at all.