Time for debate.

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It's interesting seeing such varying perspectives on what is seemingly a simple riddle.

Originally posted by Forum Ninja
It's interesting seeing such varying perspectives on what is seemingly a simple riddle.

Not particularly simple really. About as simple as 'If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?'

It's a riddle to aid meditation.

Originally posted by Kosta
Not particularly simple really. About as simple as 'If a tree falls in the woods, and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?'

It's a riddle to aid meditation.

The tree doesn't make a sound. You see, your eardrum has to pick up the vibrations of the tree falling in order to convert it into sound. So, I suppose it is as simple as a tree falling with no one around to hear it.

I can have my cake AND eat it as well. Too much and I will become fat. Then I cannot be a Ninja any longer.

Why do they call C4 C4?

Originally posted by Zalindrana
My Little Shiro is just surprised at something his LT said. O.O

Is that a sexual comment...?

Compound 4!!!

Originally posted by Forum Ninja
The tree doesn't make a sound. You see, your eardrum has to pick up the vibrations of the tree falling in order to convert it into sound. So, I suppose it is as simple as a tree falling with no one around to hear it.

I can have my cake AND eat it as well. Too much and I will become fat. Then I cannot be a Ninja any longer.

As for the answer to the "tree riddle"

1. the sensation produced by stimulation of the organs of hearing by vibrations transmitted through the air or other medium.
2. mechanical vibrations transmitted through an elastic medium, traveling in air at a speed of approximately 1087 ft. (331 m) per second at sea level.

If sound is just the "mechanical vibrations transmitted through an elastic medium", then the tree does make a sound because the impact and the cracking will cause vibrations in the air. Whether someone is around to witness it is irrelevant, unless we are talking of a matrix-like scenario in which everything is simulated for our stimulation.

I'm pretty sure sound isn't technically "sound" until it's processed in an ear or the equivalent of.

Originally posted by Lord Knightfa11
First of all, I know that you said something to lead away from the truth in an indirect attempt to kill your target, hell, even me saying this is probably part of your plan, after all, you are ninja.

As for the answer to the "tree riddle"

1. the sensation produced by stimulation of the organs of hearing by vibrations transmitted through the air or other medium.
2. mechanical vibrations transmitted through an elastic medium, traveling in air at a speed of approximately 1087 ft. (331 m) per second at sea level.

If sound is just the "mechanical vibrations transmitted through an elastic medium", then the tree does make a sound because the impact and the cracking will cause vibrations in the air. Whether someone is around to witness it is irrelevant, unless we are talking of a matrix-like scenario in which everything is simulated for our stimulation.

That was an excellent and lengthy post. It's unfortunate that vibration and sound are different. Until these vibrations are converted into sound via a mechanism that is capable, there is nothing to hear.

Originally posted by Forum Ninja
That was an excellent and lengthy post. It's unfortunate that vibration and sound are different. Until these vibrations are converted into sound via a mechanism that is capable, there is nothing to hear.

"the sensation produced by stimulation of the organs of hearing by vibrations transmitted through the air or other medium."
(Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sound)

It's not simply a vibration. Sound is produced BY that vibration but is not technically that vibration. If no one is around to convert that vibration into that sensory stimulation we call sound, no sound is made. I can understand where you're getting confused here. Sound is seemingly a vibration but it is not. The vibration must undergo a change first.

Ill concede as the matter is not all that important, and the technical aspects of the riddle do not affect the answer, especially since the question is older than the scientific aspects at question.

It is the same as if "If something happens and nobody is there to witness it, does it really happen?" It's a philosophical question based on a theory that everything is simulated for us, if you will.

oxymoron

It is the same as if "If something happens and nobody is there to witness it, does it really happen?" It's a philosophical question based on a theory that everything is simulated for us, if you will. [/B]

Actually, it isn't. The two questions/riddles do not share similar properties.

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