Originally posted by Mindset
Most of the things you mentioned don't even have to do with Wakanda, they have to do with BP or Storm...The Skrulls were taking over the planet, that kind of includes Wakanda
I don't even know what chocker is, and Doom has accomplished more than almost any villain...
Its a stretch, but Latveria really only has Doom going for it. While Wakanda has Vibrnium and a few othr secrets. Fine you can throw out the skrull invasion if you want. Even though I do not really recall Latveri getting invaded. *cough* probably wasn't worth the time *cough* . And a lot of the stuff I mentioned was due to BP and storm, but they are the King and Queen of Wakanda, so yea they have a lot to do with the country. Since, they govern it and are the figure heads/leaders of the nation. You cannot just discount them. Moreover, Wakanda's connections with the rest of the world are significantly more than Latveria's.
And chocker was a type-O. I meant he choks a lot(you know chocking on your food etc. Its an expression.). Doom is just not clutch. He comes up with the most amazing plans, but is always stopped. He never follows threw.
Originally posted by Silent GuardianIf a person shows the significance of the country, than Latveria > Wakanda, because Doom > BP+Storm
Its a stretch, but Latveria really only has Doom going for it. While Wakanda has Vibrnium and a few othr secrets. Fine you can throw out the skrull invasion if you want. Even though I do not really recall Latveri getting invaded. *cough* probably wasn't worth the time *cough* . And a lot of the stuff I mentioned was due to BP and storm, but they are the King and Queen of Wakanda, so yea they have a lot to do with the country. Since, they govern it and are the figure heads/leaders of the nation. You cannot just discount them. Moreover, Wakanda's connections with the rest of the world are significantly more than Latveria's.And chocker was a type-O. I meant he choks a lot(you know chocking on your food etc. Its an expression.). Doom is just not clutch. He comes up with the most amazing plans, but is always stopped. He never follows threw.
Of course Doom is stopped, that's his role as a villain, just like every other villain.
Originally posted by Da Pittman
Yes I understand but you seem to misunderstand my point is that all I heard was they would beat Pitt because of their tech, nothing about their tech or weapons or anything else. Its like saying I can beat you because I have a big brother, so what is so good about the brother? Pitt shouldn't have been able to take on the US army without all the supes fighting him either.I never said that he wouldn't be stopped or even how quickly. The wouldn't have any prep time and neither would he, he could take out a town or two or wreck something important because Pitt isn't dumb. He can also tunnel under the earth faster than most people can run.
your right I did misunderstand you. I am being a little vague cause I could go into endless detail about Wakanda, but I do not feel like writting an essay. I am not saying Wakanda has no problems with him, but eventually they would stop/restrain/defeat him. Maybe even kill him, but that seems likea stretch. I do not even know if Pitt can be killed.
Originally posted by Mindset
If a person shows the significance of the country, than Latveria > Wakanda, because Doom > BP+StormOf course Doom is stopped, that's his role as a villain, just like every other villain.
One Doom is not greater than BP + Storm. Wakanda has more going for it than just BP and Storm, you are underestimating Wakanda. All, and I seriously mean all, that Latveria has is Doom. And not all villains get defeated, some can be very successful. I mean honestly, Doom does all this huffing and puffing but does not accomplish a great deal, unlike others. (Okay I am exaggerating he is pretty cool, but rating him above all of Wakanda is a huge stretch.)
Originally posted by Silent Guardian
One Doom is not greater than BP + Storm. Wakanda has more going for it than just BP and Storm, you are underestimating Wakanda. All, and I seriously mean all, that Latveria has is Doom. And not all villains get defeated, some can be very successful. I mean honestly, Doom does all this huffing and puffing but does not accomplish a great deal, unlike others. (Okay I am exaggerating he is pretty cool, but rating him above all of Wakanda is a huge stretch.)
Yes, Doom is > BP and Storm, that isn't even an argument. Doom has much more importance in Marvel than BP or Storm ever have.
What villain hasn't been defeated?
Originally posted by Mindset
Yes, Doom is > BP and Storm, that isn't even an argument. Doom has much more importance in Marvel than BP or Storm ever have.What villain hasn't been defeated?
One we were arguing Wakanda over Latveria, than you just shifted it to Doom. I don't even think about Latveria all I think off i Doom. Thats like someone saying the Fortress of Solitude is greater than New Genisis or Apocalypse, just because Superman lives there. Get real! I am not going to get into a Doom BP + Storm argument.
As for villains: Mephisto does pretty well for himself. So does Galactus. Norman is on a role right now, nothing gonna take him out.
Originally posted by Silent GuardianActually, you were the one that brought up the importance of two individuals, BP and Storm, and tried to make that show Wakanda's importance.
One we were arguing Wakanda over Latveria, than you just shifted it to Doom. I don't even think about Latveria all I think off i Doom. Thats like someone saying the Fortress of Solitude is greater than New Genisis or Apocalypse, just because Superman lives there. Get real! I am not going to get into a Doom BP + Storm argument.As for villains: Mephisto does pretty well for himself. So does Galactus. Norman is on a role right now, nothing gonna take him out.
My original statement said Latveria wins because of Doom.
All of those villains have failed multiple times...
Galactus isn't even a villain.
Originally posted by Mindset
Actually, you were the one that brought up the importance of two individuals, BP and Storm, and tried to make that show Wakanda's importance.My original statement said Latveria wins because of Doom.
All of those villains have failed multiple times...
Galactus isn't even a villain.
okay fine if you take Doom out of Latveria and take Storm & T'Challa out of Wakanda, than Wakanda is clearly better. Thus Wakanda is the better country. No question.
Second Galactus is so a villain we are not even arguing this, lets not start. Mephisto& Galactus have never really lost in my book. They have never had it all and lost it all. Those two remain omnipotent. Galactus is the laziest one of all the majority of his life all he does is eat. How borring. And mephisto is boring as well, he has lost a few times, but none of his battles are of any real importance. He just goes around making deals for peoples soles and breaking up marriages ( I hate that son of @$R$@%)
Wakanda takes Pitt 10/10 via BFR
Without BP or Queen O leaving the Capitol, the options are:
Distract Pitt with Wakandan military, while positioning him for removal via King Salomon's Frogs.
Maneuver Pitt so that he falls into the "Techno Jungle".
They could sic the Great Cats on him (Voltronesque war machines).
Wakanda options with BP and Queen O leading the charge are:
Queen O manipulating the pressure in Pitts body to cause him discomfort while she whips up a a wind funnel to toss him into the atmosphere.
BP plants a beacon on him during a brief exchange so they can "beam him" out of there.
Nezhno and Panther special forces wearing Vibranium armor give him a hard time before one of the other two occur.
Pitt will run rampid through the streets until the Panther gets wind of it.
On the Creed note :
Wakanda causes all of their tech and weapons to explode
(See Wakanda and Die) ✅
Originally posted by Silent Guardian
yea because Doom has never lost/been defeated before 🙄
In his first appearances Black Panther with heavy prep and in the middle of his own techno jungle took on an unprepared Fantastic Four - and still lost in the end (which was quite a shock to him).
BP himself has been defeated many times in combat over the years, and sometimes by some real losers.
The fact is that no matter who your are, if you are a villain, or going up against established heroes in their own book, you will likely be defeated. If you are a "successful" (popular) villain and the comic appearances go on for years it can start to look bad because the number of defeats just keeps on going up and you don't have many significant wins or achievements.
Or if you are someone like Galactus, you get trashed by Big New Cosmic Threat every few years to establish how badass Big New Cosmic Threat is. In a few years when Hudlin etc have gone and BP is axed Wakanda may well end up being used the same way.
Doesn't make Doom, Galactus etc any less, it's just the way comics work.
Anyway, I haven't seen much of Pitt for years but he was pretty tough from what I remember. Maybe Wakanda 6 or 7/10.