Re: speed vs
Originally posted by SamZED
Put the following street-levelers in order #1 being the fastest #10 the slowest.Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.
Spider-Man, Vemon
Sabertooth, Wolverine
Captain America, Deadpool
Black panther, Daredevil
Batgirl, Batman
Originally posted by Supermutant
Looks like Red Skull shooting at someone else and Cap comes in with shield to protect, not avoiding bullets but blocking them.Here is Batgirl with a bullet shot at her and she runs forward passing it in the process. She takes out the shooter before the bullet can reach the vault where she originally was. See the difference 😎
Cap is right beside Red Skull. Red Skull fires his gun at the guy while Cap is still beside him. Cap makes it over to the guy before the bullet reach him and blocks it with his shield. He out pace a bullet.
Originally posted by SupermutantCan't speak for every character in this thread but Cap has a similar feat, Deadpool has a similar feat, Venom has a similar feat.
In the speed department Cassie just has superior feats. How many characters in this thread has ran faster than a bullet on panel? Not just dodging or even reacting to bullets after being fired, but out pacing them on panel. She has knocked out 8 thugs in less than 4 seconds (how ever long it takes a bottle at below thigh level to hit the ground on average adult male).
Dodged Superboy, dodged punches and kicks from bizarro super girl, and heat vision from close from Supergirl. And she is consistent at displaying this ridiculous speed, even though at her tier she shouldn't have it.
Its a bad idea to judge characters speed by random bullet time feats anyway. Have to look at overall history. Just because one writer desides to give his character a bullet time feat doesn't mean that the character is now supersonic and is 10 times faster than his peers who don't have similar feats, especially if they're constantly shown to be fast enough to keep up with the first character in a fight.
Originally posted by SamZED
Can't speak for every character in this thread but Cap has a similar feat, Deadpool has a similar feat, Venom has a similar feat.
Spider-man has a better feat.Its a bad idea to judge characters speed by random bullet time feats anyway. Have to look at overall history. Just because one writer desides to give his character a bullet time feat doesn't mean that the character is now supersonic and is 10 times faster than his peers who don't have similar feats, especially if they're constantly shown to be fast enough to keep up with the first character in a fight.
lol 1st Cass speed feats are not random, she does them all the time in her appearances. I mean she's been out reacting bullets inches away from her face w/out looking at them and facing another direction since a child. Who here has done that since a child? And that's her normal training growing up.
2nd She uses that speed in combat. I have already shown both Deathstroke and Batman unable to touch her, but she tagged them. But here are more:
3rd You have even proven one of my points b/c even you stated that some characters here have a similar feat to Cassie one specific bullet timing. That's mean her speed is at least equal to there's if her feats constantly show it and she should be far from last on the list. 😂 Still, moving faster than a bullet and koing the gunman before the shot he fired reaches your previous location is better than dodging in the way of automatic gunfire with a shield.
4th What are these other characters best speed feats (especially Spiderman) What feats do they have they put them clearly above her? Have they dodge attacks and hit those on the speed level of Kryptonians consistently not just one time? Her standard level is to blitz multiple enemies not just every now and then.
Originally posted by Supermutant
lol 1st Cass speed feats are not random, she does them all the time in her appearances. I mean she's been out reacting bullets inches away from her face w/out looking at them and facing another direction since a child. Who here has done that since a child? And that's her normal training growing up.2nd She uses that speed in combat. I have already shown both Deathstroke and Batman unable to touch her, but she tagged them. But here are more:
3rd You have even proven one of my points b/c even you stated that some characters here have a similar feat to Cassie one specific bullet timing. That's mean her speed is at least equal to there's if her feats constantly show it and she should be far from last on the list. 😂 Still, moving faster than a bullet and koing the gunman before the shot he fired reaches your previous location is better than dodging in the way of automatic gunfire with a shield.
4th What are these other characters best speed feats (especially Spiderman) What feats do they have they put them clearly above her? Have they dodge attacks and hit those on the speed level of Kryptonians consistently not just one time? Her standard level is to blitz multiple enemies not just every now and then.
When did I say that those characters have feats that put them clearly above her? Please don't put words in my mouth. You were talking about a specific feat, I said Spider-man has a better one and he does - like outrunning a homing bullet (it was literally chasing him) and not a short burst like she did but around several city blocks. Then there are many other feats like dodging lightning, jumping through a moving rotor of helicopter twice while carrying a person, overwhelming entire teams of superheroes with his speed, running through and beating the crap out of several swat teams so fast they didn't even see him etc etc etc
If we start comparing feats I can speak for Deadpool, his feats easily matches Cass', he's dodged bullets after it was fired and that was an inch from his face, he's dodged a sniper bullet AFTER it was fired and before the assassin realized that she's missed Deadpool was already on top of her with a sword, and she was aiming at him from a distant rooftop. That alone is more than enough. But then he's chopped three killers (who all had hostages) to few dozen pieces so fast they didn't even realize he moved at all until they were already falling to pieces. On his feet he cought up to a plane that was already taking off (passengers plane go at over 200 mph before taking off if I'm not mistaken), he's deflected bullets with his sword at point blank range, the evil Deadpool has disarmed a guy with a knife and used said knife to chop 3 armed killers who were all standing at a distance and holding him at gun point and he did it so fast the first guy who originally had the knife didn't even have the time to blink etc etc etc and YET despite all those feats that easily matches Cass' he is not faster than Spider-man and was astonished by Pete's speed. That's what I mean when I say "random feats" we gotta look at characters overall history as well, and Cass despite her insane feats is not written to be several times faster than even Tim Drake who has hit her before and dodged her before. And those feats alone do not make her faster than everyone in this thread some of whom also have insane speed feats yet can all more or less keep up with one another. But I assume your mind is already made up so I don't see a point in trying to change it.
Originally posted by SamZED
If I was making the foot speed list I'd place Wolvie, Deadpool and Venom higher on the list. They have some nice running speed feats.
Re: speed vs
Originally posted by SamZED
What Mindset said. Venom doesn't dodge bullets because he doesn't need to. If you check Venom respect thread you will find scans showing Venom CATCHING bullets. Posted them myself. Even multiple bullets at the same time with ease. He is AT LEAST AS FAST as Spider-man.
I forgot about this thread.
But the main reason why Venom is not as fast as Spidey because it was stated and shown that Spidey was faster than Venom in their direct fights.
So again, Venom is not as fast as spidey at all.
Otherwise, Spidey would have got killed from Venom everytime they fought. Spidey wouldn't had any chance to use Venom's weakness against him or outfight him.
Originally posted by SamZED
Put the following street-levelers in order #1 being the fastest #10 the slowest.Daredevil, Batgirl, Captain America, Spider-man, Wolverine, Deadpool, Batman, Sabertooth, Venom (Brock), Black Panther.
Spidey
Batgirl
Venom
Daredevil
Batman=Cap=Black Panther
Wolverine
Sabretooth=Deadpool
Re: Re: speed vs
Originally posted by h1a8Man, that post is from 5 years ago, you really didn't have to reply to that.
I forgot about this thread.
But the main reason why Venom is not as fast as Spidey because it was stated and shown that Spidey was faster than Venom in their direct fights.
So again, Venom is not as fast as spidey at all.
Otherwise, Spidey would have got killed from Venom everytime they fought. Spidey wouldn't had any chance to use Venom's weakness against him or outfight him.Updated list
Spidey
Batgirl
Venom
Daredevil
Batman=Cap=Black Panther
Wolverine
Sabretooth=Deadpool
Originally posted by carver9
Cap is right beside Red Skull. Red Skull fires his gun at the guy while Cap is still beside him. Cap makes it over to the guy before the bullet reach him and blocks it with his shield. He out pace a bullet.
No he didn't. That wasn't the intention of the writer. The intention was that Cap got over there in enough time to save the guy. It's clear as day:
If you want to be nitpicky then either
1. those bullets weren't really fast
or
2. Red Skull missed the first three shots and Cap blocked the second
since Skull fired off 3 BEFORE the first hit the target. Otherwise it would be impossible since the trigger can't move back to loading position faster than the speed of gravity.
Originally posted by SamZED
Thanks for the scans, but I'm familiar with everything you've posted, the ones I haven't read, I've seen in respect threads. When I said "random bullet feats" I didn't mean that that they're unusable or accidental, merely that there's more to characters speed than that. Black Mary is a great example, she has insane bullet time feats, doesn't change the fact she's never written to be dozen times faster (or at all faster) than say Wolverine who doesn't have the same feats. And Cass who's been dodging bullets since her childhood didn't overwhelm Nightwing with her speed even though his bullet dodging feats don't come close to hers. She didn't overwhelm Ravager with her speed as well. At the end of the day she's a solid top tier street leveler speed-wise. And it's not outside of their ability to keep up with her as it's constantly shown in the books even if she is a bit faster. That's what I meant.
I didn't say that Cass was a dozen times faster than anyone, I specifically stated that her speed feats = spiderman speed feats. Everything else you stated applies to all characters in general, Punisher with no super human speed has tagged Spiderman, Wolverine, etc doesn't mean that Spiderman or Wolvie doesn't have super speed. During training Cass was dancing around NW who was worried she still was mind control. Cass has consistently pwned the Bat family when focused.
When did I say that those characters have feats that put them clearly above her? Please don't put words in my mouth. You were talking about a specific feat, I said Spider-man has a better one and he does - like outrunning a homing bullet (it was literally chasing him) and not a short burst like she did but around several city blocks. Then there are many other feats like dodging lightning, jumping through a moving rotor of helicopter twice while carrying a person, overwhelming entire teams of superheroes with his speed, running through and beating the crap out of several swat teams so fast they didn't even see him etc etc etc
I wasn't referring to you here, there are other comments in this thread. That Spiderman feat you mention doesn't sound better plus it sounds more like endurance than speed. Everything else you mentioned Cassie has similar feats. I didn't post all her speed feats and not going to especially since it seems like I'm the only one backing up my claims.
If we start comparing feats I can speak for Deadpool, his feats easily matches Cass', he's dodged bullets after it was fired and that was an inch from his face, he's dodged a sniper bullet AFTER it was fired and before the assassin realized that she's missed Deadpool was already on top of her with a sword, and she was aiming at him from a distant rooftop. That alone is more than enough. But then he's chopped three killers (who all had hostages) to few [b]dozen pieces so fast they didn't even realize he moved at all until they were already falling to pieces. On his feet he cought up to a plane that was already taking off (passengers plane go at over 200 mph before taking off if I'm not mistaken), he's deflected bullets with his sword at point blank range, the evil Deadpool has disarmed a guy with a knife and used said knife to chop 3 armed killers who were all standing at a distance and holding him at gun point and he did it so fast the first guy who originally had the knife didn't even have the time to blink etc etc etc and YET despite all those feats that easily matches Cass' he is not faster than Spider-man and was astonished by Pete's speed. That's what I mean when I say "random feats" we gotta look at characters overall history as well, and Cass despite her insane feats is not written to be several times faster than even Tim Drake who has hit her before and dodged her before. And those feats alone do not make her faster than everyone in this thread some of whom also have insane speed feats yet can all more or less keep up with one another. But I assume your mind is already made up so I don't see a point in trying to change it. [/B]
Again nothing you mentioned prove Spiderman speed feats > Cassie. If anything you are making the argument that most people in this thread has similar speed feats which I'm fine with that for now anyway. Tim Drake is a terrible example to use, he was amazed and astonished by Cassie speed and admited he was no match for her. But again Shang Chi, Daredevil, Stilt Man, has tag spidey, doesn't mean his speed necessarily is less than theirs. Its all about context and generally portrayal, and Cass speed feats = spiderman speed feats.
Originally posted by Supermutant
I didn't say that Cass was a dozen times faster than anyone, I specifically stated that her speed feats = spiderman speed feats. Everything else you stated applies to all characters in general, Punisher with no super human speed has tagged Spiderman, Wolverine, etc doesn't mean that Spiderman or Wolvie doesn't have super speed. During training Cass was dancing around NW who was worried she still was mind control. Cass has consistently pwned the Bat family when focused.
I wasn't referring to you here, there are other comments in this thread. That Spiderman feat you mention doesn't sound better plus it sounds more like endurance than speed. Everything else you mentioned Cassie has similar feats. I didn't post all her speed feats and not going to especially since it seems like I'm the only one backing up my claims.
No need to post anything, like I said I am familiar with all of her speed feats, and I've mentioned above that I can't upload scans as they're on my dead computer and I'm browsing from an iPad. There's more than one way to back up a claim, that's why I spend more time describing feats, believe me I'd much prefer to copy paste imageshack links but I can't, so if you're only interested in a scan war I don't have anything to offer except some crappy google links. But if you're willing to take my word for it - Spider-man's feat is more impressive for few reasons, not only was he weakened and dying from an illness in that story, he was able to outpace a bullet that was chasing him for several city blocks, it's one thing when it's a short speed burst (as in her case) and another when you stay ahead of a smart bullet for such a long distance and keep increasing the distance between you and the bullet, it's more than just endurance, it's some near Speed Demon level stuff, and if that wasn't good enough he actually cought the bullet with his bare hand after that. The other one did hit him though as he was weakened.
Again nothing you mentioned prove Spiderman speed feats > Cassie. If anything you are making the argument that most people in this thread has similar speed feats which I'm fine with that for now anyway. Tim Drake is a terrible example to use, he was amazed and astonished by Cassie speed and admited he was no match for her. But again Shang Chi, Daredevil, Stilt Man, has tag spidey, doesn't mean his speed necessarily is less than theirs. Its all about context and generally portrayal, and Cass speed feats = spiderman speed feats.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Then by all means, point out where the 3 missed shots landed and where the sound effects are for the 3 new shots.
Hell if I know. You tell me.
All I know that it wasn't the writer's intention that Cap literally outrun a bullet but that Cap get there before the guy gets shot.
This is crystal clear.
