given the way goober framed it, as in putting ourselves into the shoes of these characters, I would say if I had the mastery over the ring as well as Hal did...Hal would win
I would instantly create 1000 identical copies of me at the start of battle...in under one second
as Thor starts blasting away futilely, I visualize a forcefield inside Thor's head...3- 5 seconds
I then expand that field with all my willpower...Thor dies
Originally posted by Starscream M
given the way goober framed it, as in putting ourselves into the shoes of these characters, I would say if I had the mastery over the ring as well as Hal did...Hal would winI would instantly create 1000 identical copies of me at the start of battle...in under one second
as Thor starts blasting away futilely, I visualize a forcefield inside Thor's head...3- 5 seconds
I then expand that field with all my willpower...Thor dies
Originally posted by Starscream M
given the way goober framed it, as in putting ourselves into the shoes of these characters, I would say if I had the mastery over the ring as well as Hal did...Hal would winI would instantly create 1000 identical copies of me at the start of battle...in under one second
as Thor starts blasting away futilely, I visualize a forcefield inside Thor's head...3- 5 seconds
I then expand that field with all my willpower...Thor dies
Is hal that fast? I mean i know that he can create a thousand copies of himself or whatever but in one second? Also does he have the ability to create constructs inside other people?
Originally posted by darthgooberthor's speed is the last thing I'd worry about...thor's speed should not be an issue for hal
I'm pretty sure that you wouldn't be doing all of that under these conditions, Thor has super speed that he'd actually be using so I'm pretty sure he'd be able to interrupt your efforts. Of course "auto shields" would be 100% functional under CBR format so it'd save Hal from dying in the first second, but I don't think he could muster the concentration necessary to pull off the kind of stuff you're suggesting.
and assuming I can't create the 1000 clones...
whatever, I'd engage Thor in a fight....with my shields on and throwing constructs around and avoiding his blasts...all I need to do is visualize a bubble in his head, and he's dead. That requires virtually no effort.
A not holding back Thor would tear through you pretty fast, it wouldn't leave an opening to play fancy and he would try to close the gap with you and downright absorb the ring's energy. It has been affected by magnetism so I don't think you would do better than Hal with it.
Time stop would be a better choice assuming you can actually pull it off.
Originally posted by BentleyI would need to visualize a bubble...that takes no effort or time.
A not holding back Thor would tear through you pretty fast, it wouldn't leave an opening to play fancy and he would try to close the gap with you and downright absorb the ring's energy. It has been affected by magnetism so I don't think you would do better than Hal with it.Time stop would be a better choice assuming you can actually pull it off.
I could kill Thor before he looks at me.
Originally posted by Starscream M
thor's speed is the last thing I'd worry about...thor's speed should not be an issue for haland assuming I can't create the 1000 clones...
whatever, I'd engage Thor in a fight....with my shields on and throwing constructs around and avoiding his blasts...all I need to do is visualize a bubble in his head, and he's dead. That requires virtually no effort.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Journey_in_to_mystery125-14-2.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3656/thorspeed014aw.jpg
Now like I said, Hal's auto shields would likely save him from an actual blitz, but getting knocked around the battlefield will make it difficult to preform complex task that require a lot of concentration.
Originally posted by darthgooberhow does visualizing a bubble require a lot of concentration?
Hal has "human level" reflexes/thought process so ANY level of actual super speed is an issue for him since Thor's fist attack would rock him before Hal could finish completing his first thought. And make no mistake, Thor DOES have super speed...http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Journey_in_to_mystery125-14-2.jpg
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3656/thorspeed014aw.jpg
Now like I said, Hal's auto shields would likely save him from an actual blitz, but getting knocked around the battlefield will make it difficult to preform complex task that require a lot of concentration.
and thor cannot attack faster than Hal's speed of thought
Originally posted by Starscream M
how does visualizing a bubble require a lot of concentration?and thor cannot attack faster than Hal's speed of thought
Yes he can. And if he also moves visualization would be even harder. Or worse, the energy from the construct would be absorbed before it even reaches Thor.
Originally posted by Starscream M
how does visualizing a bubble require a lot of concentration?
Originally posted by Starscream M
and thor cannot attack faster than Hal's speed of thought
Originally posted by Starscream MWhen GLs create constructs, the constructs have to emanate from their ring. I've not seen them create a plasma construct from inside somebody or a ship or anything. So unless you have proof to the contrary, an instantaneous bubble inside Thor's head would not be viable.
how does visualizing a bubble require a lot of concentration?and thor cannot attack faster than Hal's speed of thought
Funny, Thor has defended against Phoenix's telepathic blast.
Originally posted by BentleyI don't recall GLs being affected by magnetism.
A not holding back Thor would tear through you pretty fast, it wouldn't leave an opening to play fancy and he would try to close the gap with you and downright absorb the ring's energy. It has been affected by magnetism so I don't think you would do better than Hal with it.
Originally posted by darthgooberwell, I've said that I don't need the duplication strategy...that was just icing
I was still talking about your duplication strategy. I could tell you didn't agree with me so I was expanding on my argument.Thor has super speed so he thinks/moves faster and his hammer can fire off light speed attacks or be thrown at multiples of light speed. He can/will land his first attack before Hal finishes his first thought.
all I have to do is visualize a bubble in thor's head...and I win.
unless Hal is incapable of that simple feat, Hal wins.
