Originally posted by darthgooberYes. In that case the self limitations set on a character would be in play.
Question, what about thread specific environments? If the OP says that the fight takes place in NYC are buildings and civilians to be taken into account?
Originally posted by Wei Phoenixsdurorm
What about Storm making lungs explode or creating a lightning storm in your brain, or filling your lungs with poisonous gases, or absorbing a star?
You should also differ between limitations set by a characters morals.
In the new x-men issue where Julian Keller fights Kimura we get to see both. He won't create a huge bubble inside her brain because he's not a killer. Later on Emma needs to open up some mental blocks to let him move past the speed of sound.
The former is an inhibition he put on himself and is connected to his morals.
The latter is an inhibition his body put on him and is connected to his power potential.
If he were to participate in a fight where CIS was off he would still not be able to break the sound barrier, but he might create bubbles inside people's heads.
If he were to participate in a fight where he was boosted by Sage he would be able to break the sound barrier, but would not create bubbles inside people's heads.
Originally posted by Badabing
I think Sue using a force bubble in a person's head to be out of character unless the situation was dire. Any thoughts?
I'd say that's an extreme. She normally wouldn't do it. So would the ruling be that she would not do that even were it the only way she could beat a particular opponent? Or she would if that's the only way to win?
Originally posted by SupremeManI'd say she would only use a force bubble if there was no other way another person's life depended on it. Say a Skrull was holding a gun to her kid's head or something. In a vs battle, I would say she wouldn't.
I'd say that's an extreme. She normally wouldn't do it. So would the ruling be that she would not do that even were it the only way she could beat a particular opponent? Or she would if that's the only way to win?
What about the recent speed arguments. Namely, certain characters don't tend to use their speed unless they know its an opponent that can only be beaten if they speedblitz. My take is that general knowledge would cover a fairly decent idea of how much a character can take as far as damage. The "so and so doesn't speedblitz most of the time" just becomes as excuse to have one character not fighting at full capacity in my opinion.
Originally posted by SupremeManI agree. Most characters who exhibit high speed use it when needed. There's no reason to think that Supes or SS wouldn't use it in the forum matches.
What about the recent speed arguments. Namely, certain characters don't tend to use their speed unless they know its an opponent that can only be beaten if they speedblitz. My take is that general knowledge would cover a fairly decent idea of how much a character can take as far as damage. The "so and so doesn't speedblitz most of the time" just becomes as excuse to have one character not fighting at full capacity in my opinion.
Originally posted by jalek moyeI've seen Thor use his more exotic powers enough to wanna count him in with Supes and SS. He did tell Stark that he was holding back before his rebirth. But there may be people who disagree.
wat about my thor statement about the cis vs pis thing
Originally posted by Badabing
I agree. Most characters who exhibit high speed use it when needed. There's no reason to think that Supes or SS wouldn't use it in the forum matches.
Them using during the match speed wouldnt be a problem but what of the degree and time period in which they use it. Neither SS or supes are going to be blitzing their opponent at lightspeed as soon as they here go. Heck the probly wont hit their opponenet with one thousand attacks in a picosecond at any time during the fight. They will blitz during the match but certainly not to the insane levels some suggest.
Originally posted by Raoul
it only applies to things characters are actually capable of doing.
2damnloud said she could. What makes you guys's opinion more credible than his?
Seriously though while we are talking about speed and blitzing what is the consensus on Superman going LS in earth's atmosphere? I know some people have said that he can't either because of the atmosphere itself or that he would do damage or something to the earth but I always thought that he didn't have to go LS in earth's atmosphere because he could already be anywhere on the earth in a matter of seconds.
Originally posted by jalek moyeI think with most "good guys", it's a progression of intensity and use of more exotic powers. My thoughts are like this. Say it's Supes vs Sentry. They get basic knowledge. I think both would be more apt to really have a go at each other in a forum battle. Thor does like to wail with Moljnir, but he isn't a dunderhead and may be wily enough to use more exotic attacks.
i know he holds back, but it seems like he likes to do the whole hammer smash your skull tatic more. Kind of like how Bor prefered the melee method to try to kill thor
Originally posted by Wei PhoenixFTL in the atmosphere on an inhabited planet is a no go. I've never seen it done. But in the default arena setting, maybe. I see no reason why Supes or Glads wouldn't have the power since they don't use brute force to go ftl. But even at 1/10 c or mach 10, covering 0.50 kms can be divided into fractions of a second.
2damnloud said she could. What makes you guys's opinion more credible than his?Seriously though while we are talking about speed and blitzing what is the consensus on Superman going LS in earth's atmosphere? I know some people have said that he can't either because of the atmosphere itself or that he would do damage or something to the earth but I always thought that he didn't have to go LS in earth's atmosphere because he could already be anywhere on the earth in a matter of seconds.
Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
2damnloud said she could. What makes you guys's opinion more credible than his?Seriously though while we are talking about speed and blitzing what is the consensus on Superman going LS in earth's atmosphere? I know some people have said that he can't either because of the atmosphere itself or that he would do damage or something to the earth but I always thought that he didn't have to go LS in earth's atmosphere because he could already be anywhere on the earth in a matter of seconds.
wow. shame on you. 🙁
Basic knowledge of the character pretty much rules out the whole 'he won't go all out at the start of the match'. If it's against characters like Silver Surfer, Thanos or such, Superman would have no reason to hesitate bringing his speed and strength and blitzing the crap out of them. If it's against characters like Iron Man, he will use whatever speed he would deem necessary to put them down but without killing them, since it's not in Superman's character. You won't see him use his full speed and strength against characters that basic knowledge says that they could not take it, but you'll see him using it against the bigger threats.