Marvel Earth vs The Death Star and 10 Stardestroyers

Started by Dr Will Hatch4 pages

Marvel Earth vs The Death Star and 10 Stardestroyers

The comics Earth 616 I think could do this easily, but I'm not sure about their movie counterparts. Lets assume that the DS is fully functional of going into hyperdrive,and the Empire has finally reached the Unexplored Regions and beyond. Lets assume they reached...us. Could the combined forces of movie Fantastic 4; Silver Surfer; all of the X Men and Brotherhood; Ghost Rider; Spiderman; Tony Stark; both Hulks; all three Punishers; Daredevil and Elektra take on this overwhelming threat? Vader is aboard the Executor btw.

Re: Marvel Earth vs The Death Star and 10 Stardestroyers

The ones that can't fly or attack into orbit are worthless. But Marvel wins, easy.

Xavier, with a massive mind-****.
Silver Surfer, could probably fly up there and solo
Phoenix, turns them into ash with a thought.

Forgot about those three...

edit: But I highly doubt that Xavier could hit thousands or millions of people in space even with Cerebro, and Phoenix took five minutes just to break up Alcatraz. The Death Star would just blow the planet up.

Surfer's a threat, though.

Did the Dark Phoenix show her full potential in the movie?

Assuming Reed is able to fly them up there in something. Magneto could probably handle a handful(if that) of Star Destroyers. The Storm Troopers sucked in the films so street levels would handle them. Surfer may be able to do something against the Death Star. Xavier could turn the Storm Troopers commanders against Vader and have them lead lower ranks against the Empire.

Overall I'm sure this in Marvel Earth's realm seeing as how Luke and a couyple dozen fighters destroyed the Death Star. Give the Empire the Emperor to even things out.

You don't think Vader is enough?

He could mindrape both Hulks and have them turn against everyone.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
You don't think Vader is enough?
I don't know. Are EU feats allowed for the Empire b/c quite frankly Storm Troopers from the films are cannon fodder/pushovers? You surely didn't list all of Marvel's movie characters so don't forget that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics

Vader can 'mind-rape', now? I think Xavier is the 'mind-rape' master.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Assuming Reed is able to fly them up there in something.
And they're getting past ten Star Destroyers and all of their starfighters?

Magneto could probably handle a handful(if that) of Star Destroyers.
One at a time at best under optimal conditions.

The Storm Troopers sucked in the films so street levels would handle them. Surfer may be able to do something against the Death Star. Xavier could turn the Storm Troopers commanders against Vader and have them lead lower ranks against the Empire.
The movie incarnation never demonstrates this level of power and control. Even with Cerebro, the most he does is cause pain, and here he doesn't have Cerebro and there are probably several hundred miles between him and everything else.

Overall I'm sure this in Marvel Earth's realm seeing as how Luke and a couyple dozen fighters destroyed the Death Star.
Yes, because the Marvel heroes have intimate knowledge of the Death Star's one weakpoint and will be able to fly there - getting past almost a dozen Star Destroyers, legions of starfighters, and the thousands of turrets on the Death Star itself.

The thread starter needs to be waaaay clearer on the starting scenario. Where are the Marvel heroes starting from?

Well Vader knows the Jedi mind trick but not sure it would work on Hulk. While Hulk is stupid his 616 counterpart is immune to telepathy so I don't know if movie versions have that. If we allow EU feats this should be a little more even.

Originally posted by Publius II

The movie incarnation never demonstrates this level of power and control. Even with Cerebro, the most he does is cause pain, and here he doesn't have Cerebro and there are probably several hundred miles between him and everything else.

He froze a mall full of people and cleared their minds of a memory. (non Cerebro)

His powers are more than capable of causing pain, which in fact would have lead to death of every mutant (or human) on the planet, if he had kept going with the task he was tricked into doing, twice over. (with Cerebro)

Edit: Why doesn't he have Cerebro?

The Surfer could wipe out the entire fleet alone, methinks.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I don't know. Are EU feats allowed for the Empire b/c quite frankly Storm Troopers from the films are cannon fodder/pushovers? You surely didn't list all of Marvel's movie characters so don't forget that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_based_on_Marvel_Comics

It's really contentious whether the EU counts. One moderator said that they heard the EU is an "alternate universe", but that doesn't make sense since characters originating in the EU appear in the prequals. Also one could make the argument that Force powers are only hinted at in the movie and can't be fully explained on film(like the Cloud City scene, there was a lot of mental Force use there). If EU is included, Vader could easily take out most of these people himself. He would have trouble with Professor X and the Surfer, though.

QUOTE: The thread starter needs to be waaaay clearer on the starting scenario. Where are the Marvel heroes starting from?

From Earth. 😎

Im throwing Blade in there as well, but not Dr Strange since it is a TV movie, and none of the cartoons.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
It's really contentious whether the EU counts. One moderator said that they heard the EU is an "alternate universe", but that doesn't make sense since characters originating in the EU appear in the prequals. Also one could make the argument that Force powers are only hinted at in the movie and can't be fully explained on film(like the Cloud City scene, there was a lot of mental Force use there). If EU is included, Vader could easily take out most of these people himself. He would have trouble with Professor X and the Surfer, though.
Agreed.

Originally posted by Robtard
[B]He froze a mall full of people and cleared their minds of a memory. (non Cerebro)

A mall is the equivalent to a battle station that has over a million in it?

No, but he has a point. I'd completely forgotten about that.

And I assumed he didn't have Cerebro because that seemed like something the thread starter would have mentioned.

He would have Cerebro, but the orbital attack of Earth won't be too far away...

OK, lets say Reed Richards or someone from the department that contacted him in the second movie detected a moon size battlestation and 10 massive ships with tech that they aren't familar with.

Then they get owned. They can't touch the Death Star, I doubt even Cerebro will let Xavier hit people who are thousands of miles away, and so Earth goes boom.

What about 5 days prep?