Leona Heidern vs Cammy White

Originally posted by I am who I am
And so that automatically puts her above anyone who can't?

What? Of course not.
Don't be foolish..😕

Originally posted by I am who I am
You really believe that don't you?

WTF are you talkin' about? You said in so may words Cammy can only do ______________ cuz she was brainwashed and I said in so many words it didn't matter rather she was or not. I hate when you do this, after this post I'm gonna quit cuz you always say things like that to destract from the debate.

Yes, because thats what happened, you couldn't prove your case so you stomped off.

Dude... They are entirely 2 different mindsets relying on the same amount of power and the same body. You claimed she can do that anytime, I said that she only did that due to brainwashing, and considering how easily Viper kicked her ass, you cannot disgard it. And you did put words in my mouth, claiming I said something I never did, just like before.

Originally posted by I am who I am
Whatever, man, I'm not even gonna stoop to your level and attempt to insult your knowledge on the subject, I could but I wont. Instead I'll just focus on what matters. 🙂

Then get off your moral high horse and actually debate, and we'll be all too sweet, k?

Originally posted by I am who I am
1. Your #1 only proved my point. I'm not like you, I'm not gonna say just cuz they describe Cammy's style as deadly that means she can kill anyone. I actually base my points on hard evidence. I base my argumanets on the games and material Capcom has said is canon or displays canon ability.

I base my thoughts for Cammy winnin' on the showin's mainly from the Udon comic and no other comic cuz that's the only one Capcom said had canon ability. Hell I don't even use the SFII Cammy manga cuz Cap never said it was canon ability and in that comic when she got pissed and took knives and bullets to the body...

I Seen her jump across buildins like a ninja..

I Seen her EASILY dodge machine gun rounds from 4 different dudes and broke all thier knecks with in seconds.

I seen her kick a guy so hard, not only did she kill him, she kicked'im through the roof of a train leavin' a hole so that you could see the sky.

I seen her take on a whole ARMY of soldiers wit machine guns, humvies and helicopters.

I seen her jump from a 3 story buildin'

I seen her take a Kikoshou from Chun Li. That not only blew her away but blew 6 cars wit her. And was still fine afterwords

And some how Leona is better then that.

2. Stop the bull...pleez. There you go assumin' shit wit NO PROOF. PROVE that the Orochi Power is equal to Satsui No Hadou. Last time I checked the Satsui No Hadou made man able destroy battle ships wit kicks, gave peeps the power to send peeps to hell instantly, and made man impervious to hand gun bullets. What feats does Orochi power have that involve not beatin' peeps wit plot devices and other shit. This is why I hate debatin' here. In regular places people would have to bring proof to claims and that makes things go over so easy. You say Orochi blood is equal to Satsui No Hado like Cap or SNK said it was.

My #1: also proved my case, I never said Cammy couldn't kill.

Right, and how much of all that was canon ability, she can take on armies with automatic weapons, yet gets pwned by Viper... hardly consistent, and considering the SF4 Anime takes primary canon away from the comics, then the conflict resolution is to side with primary canon, IE the movie. All your conflicting Udon evidence has now been refuted.

#2: No proof?!?!?

OMMFG! Did you not READ what I posted?! RUGAL got boosted heaps, the 4 kings doing all kinds of crazy shite, the entire Orochi arc centered on it, as does the new arc staring with Mukai, ALL of whom have frigging HUGE feats, Leona killing an entire village of pureblood Orochis at the age of 10 with no previous combat experience against people who could give Goentiz a run for his money, and your telling me I'm a LIAR?

Go do your homework kid.

This is fuggin hopless...

Originally posted by I am who I am
😆 😂 🤣

OMG, why did you just do that?!

YouTube video
Leona can never match the speed and lethality of such an attack.
NONE of Leona's moves show speed. That's just a slash animations. I could be like you and say somthin' smart to make you seem like you dont' know what the hell your talkin' bout but I wont. You keep postin' stuff like that and I will never have to. PROOVE SHE IS FASTER. All the sprite animations in the KOF history don't proove to me that she can dodge bullets.

Lol, Cammy's regular punches and kicks leave blur effects. Cammy's basic attacks are faster than Leona's DMs. So lets get real.

You, are full of sh!t now, officially...

I just named you an attack that moves faster than the Killer Bee Assault, and you claimed that I led. Well then champ, you have to prove it, Leona's attacks cut, lacerate, and leave ENERGY trails behind, Nothing Cammy does comes close to that, unless you wanna go X-Man vs Streef Fighter. And do the DM from a distance to see it's speed.

Originally posted by I am who I am
LMAO

1. Who did she beat in 97? How far did she get in the tourny, do you know? No...you don't. Name me 1 huge feat from someone in 97 that wasn't a boss...lol.

2. I find it LAME AS HELL to argue over who schooled who. I claimed I knew what the hell I was talkin' about almost 100% of the time cuz I research before I post and I only post my opinions in threads where I am heavily involved in the games I talk about.

Your argument was pretty much like, "I know more cuz I been at KMC longer". But if you say you won, don't let me Shungokusatsu your ego.

And you aint been arguin'against shit. I read post in an old thread where you said Orochi would tie against Jedah or Pyron, cuz he was Orochi. Or that R.Iori would draw wit Evil Ryu. None of these characters you cheer lead for have feats. Yet they are equal to these characters who have feats and shows of power...preech thet malarky to some one who aint seen you post for that long.

#1: The tourney was still underway when the riots started happening, and half of the teams where needed to subdue her, while the other was needed for Iori, that simple.

#2: I asked you not to quibble with me for a 2nd time, becuase like last time, your falling on your face because I said something you didn't like. My argument was not simply because I've been here longer, it's because I have the experience and the knowlege needed to do this, you don't seem to, or at the very least arn't demonmstrating as such. I don't really have, nor need, an ego for an online debating forum reguarding videogame characters.

You jumped in with bopth feet stating "I own all da merchandise & all da games so I really know what I'm saying", and demonstrating that yoiu've got all the ego needed for the both of us, at the same time displaying ignorance by stating "Orochi don't do shit!" when KOF dedicated 5 years to the Orochi Arc. Well done, an incredible display of your Fighin' game knowlege.

Nice to see you can look at a single post and say that thats your summary of 2 years worth of debating. Orochi can fight against the likes of Darkstalkers because of his divinity and immortality, have a loof at the KOF storyline again, the only reason he ever lost was due to PIS.

Originally posted by I am who I am
Bullshitx3, you came at me 1st. You wanted me to argue wit you or you would have never attacked my post. If you wanna fight like gentleman then okay, that's what this place is for, but don't make me seem like I'm the bad guy who felt the need to change your mind cuz I like 1 character more than the other. I thought you were wrong in so many threads so many times but I never bothered to "correct you" cuz I know how you and the likes are. The thread would go on and on wit no agreement in site. And I never called you a fanboi...you called yourself one.

I came at no-one at all:

When has Cammy dodged bullets?

And Leona can cut people to bits... with her hands... And she's faster than Cammy.

Also, I don't recall Leona having a choice with her bloodline powers, she has even less control over it than Iori does.

That was my first response to you, then:

No she can't. She can only scratch the hell outta people...like Iori. Show me her slicin' peeps up and I will believe you. And for the record I OWN er canon KOF game on 3 discs. So I know what I'm talkin' about. I bet since Heidern can cut peeps wit his hands, he can beat peeps like Akuma, lol.

Show me some proof that Leona is faster. You can't just say things like that and not prove it to me.

And Leona does have control over her power. The last time she even used the power was in 97. That's over 10yrs and 6 games ago. What proof do you have that she has lost control in between these games. And what evidence is there that this "Orochi power" can take Cammy? Last time I checked Orochi Leona has got NO FEATS or any good showings.

Firstly, you assume she only scratches, even though she can't use her nails because of leather gloves, & completely ignoring the fact that she uses energy cutting techniques. then you put more words in my mouth and say that I said Heidern beats Akuma. (And the irony off this is, in the other thread, you just claimed that Talbain could kill Ryu because he has claws... OMFG LOL!)

Then you rant about evidence despite the fact that you provided nothing in your own case.

In this retrospect, you came at me first, now don't try and deny this.

I'm gettin' tired of this so...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Yes, because thats what happened, you couldn't prove your case so you stomped off.

Dude... They are entirely 2 different mindsets relying on the same amount of power and the same body. You claimed she can do that anytime, I said that she only did that due to brainwashing, and considering how easily Viper kicked her ass, you cannot disgard it. And you did put words in my mouth, claiming I said something I never did, just like before.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Then get off your moral high horse and actually debate, and we'll be all too sweet, k?

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
My #1: also proved my case, I never said Cammy couldn't kill.

Right, and how much of all that was canon ability, she can take on armies with automatic weapons, yet gets pwned by Viper... hardly consistent, and considering the SF4 Anime takes primary canon away from the comics, then the conflict resolution is to side with primary canon, IE the movie. All your conflicting Udon evidence has now been refuted.

No the proper way to think is..."Cammy took on an army in the comic yet lost to C.Viper despite there bein' NO EVIDENCE that C.Viper is weak and her only showin' is STOMPIN' Cammy. Thus the comic doesn't count even tho Cap said it does as canon abilities."

You can't be serious...

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#2: No proof?!?!?

OMMFG! Did you not READ what I posted?! RUGAL got boosted heaps, the 4 kings doing all kinds of crazy shite, the entire Orochi arc centered on it, as does the new arc staring with Mukai, ALL of whom have frigging HUGE feats, Leona killing an entire village of pureblood Orochis at the age of 10 with no previous combat experience against people who could give Goentiz a run for his money, and your telling me I'm a LIAR?
Go do your homework kid.

This is fuggin hopless....

OROCHI HAS NO FEATS

MUKAI HAS NO FEATS

Pure blood Orochi's who have NO FEATS and you ASSUME can give Goenitz challenge. They have NO FEATS that put them in Goenitz league. The only KOF dude wit GOOD FEATS. If that's what you call proof then you need to check yourself.

And you say this is hopless yet you come at me 1st ALL THE TIME. I ignore YOU, ALL THE TIME unless you adress me 1st. I do that wit almost erbody. If it's so hopless than STFU talkin' to me man. It's hopless yet you always pick a fight wit me.

"THIS" is not hopless...YOU are.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#You, are full of sh!t now, officially...

I just named you an attack that moves faster than the Killer Bee Assault, and you claimed that I led. Well then champ, you have to prove it, Leona's attacks cut, lacerate, and leave ENERGY trails behind, Nothing Cammy does comes close to that, unless you wanna go X-Man vs Streef Fighter. And do the DM from a distance to see it's speed.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
#1: The tourney was still underway when the riots started happening, and half of the teams where needed to subdue her, while the other was needed for Iori, that simple..

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
##2: I asked you not to quibble with me for a 2nd time, becuase like last time, your falling on your face because I said something you didn't like. My argument was not simply because I've been here longer, it's because I have the experience and the knowlege needed to do this, you don't seem to, or at the very least arn't demonmstrating as such. I don't really have, nor need, an ego for an online debating forum reguarding videogame characters.

You "don't really have, nor need, an ego for an online debating forum reguarding videogame characters." Yet you fail to play it off that way. You keep goin' on about you and me even though the thread is about Cammy VS Leona. If what you say is true then start playin' the part.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
You jumped in with bopth feet stating "I own all da merchandise & all da games so I really know what I'm saying", and demonstrating that yoiu've got all the ego needed for the both of us, at the same time displaying ignorance by stating "Orochi don't do shit!" when KOF dedicated 5 years to the Orochi Arc. Well done, an incredible display of your Fighin' game knowlege.

Your right, cuz I own the games and play'em regularly I am familiar wit the storys, so no, you can't just through WRONG info at me and expect me not to tell you so. See, I'm tryin not to insult you yet you keep insultin' me. Sayin' that I lack knowledge on certain subjects. Why don't you chill and try not bein' so childish and volalitile.

I'm the one wit the ego, yet I'm the guy who give 2 squirts of piss about what DSZ thinks. I've told'im that. I don't even bother startin debates wit him. I let er body have their opinion and don't bother to correct people or convert them. I state my own opinion and that's it. Yet I have the ego. INFACT, you started the old spat between us. And you started the more recent one as well. Yet I have the ego.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Nice to see you can look at a single post and say that thats your summary of 2 years worth of debating. Orochi can fight against the likes of Darkstalkers because of his divinity and immortality, have a loof at the KOF storyline again, the only reason he ever lost was due to PIS.

Orochi is not divine and there is no evidence that Orochi's soul can't be eaten, stolen, destroyed or that he can't be obliterated. 'Couse Kyo and the gang would have a hard time, there just humans. Show me where SNK says Orochi is invincible against anyone who aint Kyo and Iori. Orochi even after all these years and games has no feats.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
I came at no-one at all:

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
That was my first response to you, then

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Firstly, you assume she only scratches, even though she can't use her nails because of leather gloves, & completely ignoring the fact that she uses energy cutting techniques. then you put more words in my mouth and say that I said Heidern beats Akuma. (And the irony off this is, in the other thread, you just claimed that Talbain could kill Ryu because he has claws... OMFG LOL!)

1. I never said she used her nails to scratch people. I never said she didn't use cuttin' techniuqes. You just read what you want.
2.The whole Akuma/Heidern thing was joke that I see you took DRAMATICLY serious.
3. I bet you feel real smart for bringin' up the whole Talbain thing, yet failed to menation that Talbain does Mortal Kombat Style FATALITIES wit his claws. He actually cuts people in half IN GAME and they show it. Rather it be in game or not, show me Leona accomplishin' such a thing. Smart guy. 😆

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Then you rant about evidence despite the fact that you provided nothing in your own case.

In this retrospect, you came at me first, now don't try and deny this.

And you came at me first and you know it.

You said
"Leona..."

2 post later, I said
"Cammy's got this, even wit Leona's Orochi power (which she no longer uses) Cammy can mop the floor wit'er.

She can dodge bullets, break neaks, destroy LARGE groups of armed men and take a hell of a beatin' from Crimson Viper, LOL."
I didn't quote you or anyone else. I didn't even have you in mind. I didn't even care you thought.

Then you felt the need to come at me and start this argument...
"When has Cammy dodged bullets?

And Leona can cut people to bits... with her hands... And she's faster than Cammy.

Also, I don't recall Leona having a choice with her bloodline powers, she has even less control over it than Iori does."

I told you my reasons and what I thought and rather than sayin' "okay, I know what type of guy I THINK you are, so fine what ever. I still say Leonas wins." You feel the need to dismiss my ansewer wit your comment and start thsi bullshit wit me again.

Ahahaaa! your ranting didn't even touch a single point I raised, but do keep ranting, your making my day.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Ahahaaa! your ranting didn't even touch a single point I raised, but do keep ranting, your making my day.

Ya'll need to relax. I need to see this cammy/viper vid ya'll talkin' 'bout. Side note, while I have seen Iori lacerate the shit outta people, I haven't seen him or Leona cut clean thru muthafukas like Rei from FOTNS.

RUGAL HAS NO FEATS...

OROCHI HAS NO FEATS

MUKAI HAS NO FEATS

Pure blood Orochi's who have NO FEATS and you ASSUME can give Goenitz challenge. They have NO FEATS that put them in Goenitz league. The only KOF dude wit GOOD FEATS. If that's what you call proof then you need to check yourself.

And you say this is hopless yet you come at me 1st ALL THE TIME. I ignore YOU, ALL THE TIME unless you adress me 1st. I do that wit almost erbody. If it's so hopless than STFU talkin' to me man. It's hopless yet you always pick a fight wit me.

"THIS" is not hopless...YOU are.

yeah right... by your logic, Orochi is weaker than Goenitz since Orochi has no feats while Goenitz has one. DSZ already said feat isn't everything a long time ago. it's like saying that SSJ3 Goku is weaker than mutenroshi since SSJ3 Goku has no feats.

and Mukai too has durability feat. so shut up.

Originally posted by I-Drop
Ya'll need to relax. I need to see this cammy/viper vid ya'll talkin' 'bout. Side note, while I have seen Iori lacerate the shit outta people, I haven't seen him or Leona cut clean thru muthafukas like Rei from FOTNS.

but Leona was stated to cut a giant tree while she was 10 after Heidern found her.

Source?

Originally posted by I-Drop
Ya'll need to relax. I need to see this cammy/viper vid ya'll talkin' 'bout. Side note, while I have seen Iori lacerate the shit outta people, I haven't seen him or Leona cut clean thru muthafukas like Rei from FOTNS.

Check out Ryu's respect thread.

Originally posted by I-Drop
Ya'll need to relax. I need to see this cammy/viper vid ya'll talkin' 'bout. Side note, while I have seen Iori lacerate the shit outta people, I haven't seen him or Leona cut clean thru muthafukas like Rei from FOTNS.

I might not even play that shit. They had no business turning Iori into Blue Mary. They probably gave him an ultragay movelist to go w/his ultragay outfit. &they need to stop fuking around & put Rock in there (don't change his costume though) already.

Originally posted by Zack Fair
Check out Ryu's respect thread.

Originally posted by I-Drop
Source?

try to read Leona's story. everyone knows this.

Originally posted by I-Drop
I might not even play that shit. They had no business turning Iori into Blue Mary. They probably gave him an ultragay movelist to go w/his ultragay outfit. &they need to stop fuking around & put Rock in there (don't change his costume though) already.

😂 That would make me quite upset

Originally posted by Kirikaze Fuuma
try to read Leona's story. everyone knows this.

I can't believe i missed the heat of this topic.

Overall: I have to say Leona

Reasons:
I had battles in Mugen. In battle, Cammy had the advantage when it was Leona's Ground Saber and Rebel Spark vs. Cammy's Cannon Drill and Spin Drive Smasher. Leona's advantage is V-Slasher since it is invincible in many cases and easier to combo in for a lot of damage. Cammy's Hooligan throw can't hit Leona when V-Slasher is preformed for a counter. But that is for more of an in case battle speculative. But just from experience as a Leona player and a Cammy player, Leona's wider variety of moves and 'pokes' gives Cammy a run for a more strategic gameplay.

If you want story wise, they are pretty much on the same level of suffering, though Leona is currently having the worst of it in the current saga.