Originally posted by SoulDevourershe had no powers when she was wearing the gauntlet and the sandles. She was very human.
uh wait so shes suppose to be half amazon but shes got none of the amazon natural abilties? without the gantlets and those sandels from that "speed god" (whats his name) shes just plain human? 😕
Originally posted by fangirl101Then why even mention the Artemis fight as a reference for understanding the guantlets if they've been changed in your mind? Because Byrne-Wonderwoman clearly states that when she wears both of them, her strength is increased twofold.
Poor thing. You do know that John Byrne changed the gauntlets and the amp right? Oh. you didn't. Lulz.
Taking only what you like from the past and trying to mesh it together with a current example even though that trait's been contradicted in the current example to suit your argumentative purposes = fail. That isn't even a fallacy in logic. That's just plain ignorance.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I was explaining the artemis so that people could understand that when she wore them, they stacked her strength to ten. The original writer had each guantlet amp only by a factor of five. Lulz. Byrne era wonder woman states that now each gauntlet amps everything to a factor of ten. You failed in your attempt. try again. Lulz at you for even trying to come at me on anything wonder woman. Don't do that. You won't win.
Then why even mention the Artemis fight as a reference for understanding the guantlets if they've been changed in your mind. Because Byrne-Wonderwoman clearly states that when she wears both of them, her strength is increased twofold.Taking only what you like from the past and trying to mesh it together with a current example even though that trait's been contradicted in the current example to suit your argumentative purposes = fail. That isn't even a fallacy in logic. That's just plain ignorance.
Originally posted by fangirl101You read WW comics?
I was explaining the artemis so that people could understand that when she wore them, they stacked her strength to ten. The original writer had each guantlet amp only by a factor of five. Lulz. Byrne era wonder woman states that now each gauntlet amps everything to a factor of ten. You failed in your attempt. try again. Lulz at you for even trying to come at me on anything wonder woman. pathetic.
I didn't know that.
Originally posted by fangirl101I don't remember William Messner-Loebs ever stating that one gauntlet increases the amp only by a factor of five. In fact, in the scans I just posted, Artemis says when she is wearing a single gauntlet, her strength is increased by a factor of ten. And when Diana has worn both of them, she doesn't say her strength is increased by twentyfold. She says tenfold. So what exactly is going on here with you?
I was explaining the artemis so that people could understand that when she wore them, they stacked her strength to ten. The original writer had each guantlet amp only by a factor of five. Lulz. Byrne era wonder woman states that now each gauntlet amps everything to a factor of ten. You failed in your attempt. try again. Lulz at you for even trying to come at me on anything wonder woman. Don't do that. You won't win.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Maybe you should pick up the very first issues when the guantlets are introduced. Each one only amped by a factor of five. Together it was a factor of ten. You do have WW vol 93 don't you? Pick it up. The guantlets stack. You aren't going to win this one. Look it up and come back to me with another argument. The guantlets amp ten times each. And they stack as when artemis first wore them. Byrne is the one who changed the nature of the guantlets. They amped the entire being ten times. Not just one arm.
I don't remember William Messner-Loebs ever stating that one gauntlet increases the amp only by a factor of five. In fact, in the scans I just posted, Artemis says when she is wearing a single gauntlet, her strength is increased by a factor of ten. And when Diana has worn both of them, she doesn't say her strength is increased by twentyfold. She says tenfold. So what exactly is going on here with you?
Originally posted by fangirl101Who cares what the first version stated, we were talking about William-Messner Loeb's ---> Byrne's. Nothing of what I posted deals with anything but those versions. Pointing out random facts to insult my knowledge when it isn't even something either of us were addressing is meaningless chatter. Now if you please, show me a scan where when wearing both of them, their strength is increased twentyfold.
Maybe you should pick up the very first issues when the guantlets are introduced. Each one only amped by a factor of five. Together it was a factor of ten. You do have WW vol 93 don't you? Pick it up. The guantlets stack. You aren't going to win this one. Look it up and come back to me with another argument. The guantlets amp ten times each. And they stack as when artemis first wore them. Byrne is the one who changed the nature of the guantlets. They amped the entire being ten times. Not just one arm.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No. you show where wearing both of them only increases strength ten fold after byrne changed thier nature. Try that. Since that is the last canon use of them. Ready, set, Go.
Who cares what the first version stated, we were talking about William-Messner Loeb's ---> Byrne's. Nothing of what I posted deals with anything but those versions. Pointing out random facts to insult my knowledge when it isn't even something either of us were addressing is meaningless chatter. Now if you please, show me a scan where when wearing both of them, their strength is increased twentyfold.
Originally posted by fangirl101I don't have to prove a negative. The burden is yours because history is on my side. When Artemis wore them in the scans, only her right arm's strength/durability was amped tenfold. Obviously, her left arm wasn't. Which means that if she put one on her left arm, her left arm's strength/durability would be amped tenfold. As such, her arm strength is amped tenfold. When Hippolyta presented them to Artemis in the first place, she states, they will give you the strength of ten. Not they will give you the strength of twenty. And in fact, IIRC, when Diana fights the White Wizard, she only gets a tenfold increase.
No. you show wear wearing both of them only increases strength ten fold after byrne changed thier nature. Try that. Since that is the last canon use of them. Ready, set, Go.
So prove to me that has changed. Because Wonderwoman clearly says when fighting Matrix Doomsday, her strength is increased tenfold, just like Artemis did before this "change" and that is consistent. So now prove that wearing both of them increases your strength twenty-fold, because that's clearly not how they started out when reintroduced in Messner-Loebs run.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Lol. Please go hide. When Cassie wore the guantlet, she tore concrete with her OTHER hand. Hence Byrne changed the nature of the guantlets. In order for artemis to have the strength of ten with her entire body, she needed both guantlets. Obviously Byrne changed the strength amping properties of the guantlets. What he didn't change was thier stacking ability. So since they now amp a person's entire being by ten with one, then two would amp by 20. Before, the guantlets only amped the entire person when thier was two. Game set and match.
I don't have to prove a negative. The burden is yours because history is on my side. When Artemis wore them in the scans, only her right arm's strength/durability was amped tenfold. Obviously, her left arm wasn't. Which means that if she put one on her left arm, her left arm's strength/durability would be amped tenfold. As such, her arm strength is amped tenfold. When Hippolyta presented them to Artemis in the first place, she states, they will give you the strength of ten. Not they will give you the strength of twenty. And in fact, IIRC, when Diana fights the White Wizard, she only gets a tenfold increase.So prove to me that has changed. Because Wonderwoman clearly says when fighting Matrix Doomsday, her strength is increased tenfold, just like Artemis did before this "change." So prove that wearing both of them increases your strength twenty-fold, because that's clearly not how they started out when reintroduced in Messner-Loebs run.
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Originally posted by fangirl101Not obviously. You started out by saying when artemis wore them, they clearly stacked. That is definitely not what you're saying now.
Lol. Please go hide. When Cassie wore the guantlet, she tore concrete with her OTHER hand. Hence Byrne changed the nature of the guantlets. In order for artemis to have the strength of ten with her entire body, she needed both guantlets. Obviously Byrne changed the strength amping properties of the guantlets. What he didn't change was thier stacking ability. So since they now amp a person's entire being by ten with one, then two would amp by 20. Before, the guantlets only amped the entire person when thier was two. Game set and match.
And even though what you said would be logical, all things considered equal, it's never been shown or depicted. Unfortunately, you have the gauntlets' description in the past as being counterintuitive. In the past, the gauntlets when presented together were said to amp strength tenfold, yet wearing one did not amp strength fivefold, it only amped one arm tenfold (which would be counterintuitive if it weren't so clearly laid out on-panel). Considering their counterintuitive history, for you to so blithely say that wearing the gauntlets now increases strength twentyfold because on is presented as being tenfold, without even showing proof, is speculation.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0It's clearly clear. Queen Hippolyta stated that Two amped someone's strength 10 fold. Let's get technical. When arty started her fight with chauvenist, she had on BOTH. She had one knocked off or something in the fight. Now what we have is a situation where we don't know if she was amped by ten with one arm, or by five with one arm. What we do know is that both amped her entire being by ten. Now when cassie wore the guantlet, her strength was amped by ten. so was her stamina and durability and healing. So One guantlet now amps the entire being by ten. But we do know that both gauntlets amped someone's entire being by ten. There for they stacked either by amping one half of the body each by ten, or they both amped by a factor of five. The result is the same. An entire person's being was amped by ten with both. Which means they stacked some how or had a cumalative effect. Byrne Changed the guantlets. One now amps everything by ten. What he didn't do, was changed the cumalitive effect. Until there is absolute proof that he changed that too, we have to go with established canon. Two gauntlets used to amp a person by ten. No matter how they did it. either by a factor of five, or by ten on each arm.
Not obviously. You started out by saying when artemis wore them, they clearly stacked. That is definitely not what you're saying now.And even though what you said would be logical, all things considered equal, it's never been shown or depicted. Unfortunately, you have the gauntlets' description in the past as being counterintuitive. In the past, the gauntlets when presented together were said to amp strength tenfold, yet wearing one did not amp strength fivefold, it only amped one arm tenfold (which would be counterintuitive if it weren't so clearly laid out on-panel). Considering their counterintuitive history, for you to so blithely say that wearing the gauntlets now increases strength twentyfold because on is presented as being tenfold, without even showing proof, is speculation.
Originally posted by FrothByteByrne changed the nature of the gauntlets. And then he only had wondy use one becuz her strength becomes too great to control. She wouldn't dare wear two. But arty did get a combined amp when she had two on. And when she had one on, she only got half an amp. Hence, Logic would dictate that combining byrne's guantlets would have the same effect as it did on arty.
I know the gauntlets increase her strength tenfold... but where is this "each gauntlet increases her strength tenfold for a total of 20" coming from? Scans please(and no, i don't have the comics else i wouldn't be asking for scans)
