He-Man vs Superman

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Your version of He-Man is clearly beyond that which his showings suggest. I have yet to see anything that puts He-Man on the nigh-Skyfather level you sometimes attribute to him, and I've seen more than most.

Originally posted by Soljer
He-man's BEST feats can't really compare to Superman's average, in my opinion.

In "Taking of Grayskull," He-Man not only lifts Castle Grayskull, but hurls it with sufficient force to exceed the gravitational pull of a whitehole.

In "Trouble In Arcadia," He-Man lifts an entire city.

In "Stone City," He-Man moves an entire mountain range.

In "Eternal Darkness," He-Man hurls a planet into orbit.

In "She-Demon of Phantos," He-Man breaks chains fashioned out of an indestructible mineral.

In "Awaken the Serpent," He-Man kills the god, Serpos.

When was the last time Superman hurled a planet-sized object into orbit? Before Pre-Crisis?

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And as for no vulnerabilities (a joke, at best) he's been knocked out by many people besides Skeletor whose relative feats are nothing compared to Supes and his rogues gallery.

Originally posted by Soljer
He-man lacks the high showings, and his LOW showings are ridiculously embarrassing.

The series is titled Masters of the Universe, because each character is a Master of the Universe in his own right. In this sense, Masters of the Universe is less Conan the Barbarian and more New Gods.

Originally posted by KMC_Drifter
Superman still has a slight edge in this fight due to heat vision, freeze breath, etc. If this came down to just a battle of fists...then He-Man would probably take this. He-Man can be stronger..and I see him as a better hand to hand fighter.

However, with heat vision...I'm not sure how that would affect He-Man. I'm sure he could deflect it with his sword....but the sword would continually absorb the heat from the blast...probably causing He-Man to drop the sword altogether.

This fight could go either way...but, I still give Superman the edge due to his many different powers.

In addition to being indestructible and being able to project mystical energy and open inter-dimensional gateways, the Sword of Power can generate cold, electricity, heat, magnetism, and storms; locate hidden and missing objects and people; transmute inorganic matter; and has uncharted transformational abilities.

Originally posted by Soljer
And as far as his speed showings go, I wouldn't put those on the level of Superman either.

He-Man can move so quickly as to turn silica into glass.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
In "Taking of Grayskull," He-Man not only lifts Castle Grayskull, but hurls it with sufficient force to exceed the gravitational pull of a whitehole.

In "Trouble In Arcadia," He-Man lifts an entire city.

In "Stone City," He-Man moves an entire mountain range.

In "Eternal Darkness," He-Man hurls a planet into orbit.

In "She-Demon of Phantos," He-Man breaks chains fashioned out of an indestructible mineral.

In "Awaken the Serpent," He-Man kills the god, Serpos.

When was the last time Superman hurled a planet-sized object into orbit? Before Pre-Crisis?

A couple of those are tv episodes (non-canon in comic terms). The rest? I couldn't find half of them via amazon/google/giga search. I remain dubious that most of them are valid for our purposes.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The series is titled Masters of the Universe, because each character is a Master of the Universe in his own right. In this sense, Masters of the Universe is less Conan the Barbarian and more New Gods.

That's an opinion. And judging by some of the stuff I've seen the "Masters" do (besides Skeletor and He-Man), which is not much, it seems incorrect to me.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
A couple of those are tv episodes (non-canon in comic terms). The rest? I couldn't find half of them via amazon/google/giga search. I remain dubious that most of them are valid for our purposes.

That's an opinion. And judging by some of the stuff I've seen the "Masters" do (besides Skeletor and He-Man), which is not much, it seems incorrect to me.

This is an Argument From Ignorance; just because you do not know something to be true, it does not follow from this that it is false.

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This is an Argument From Ignorance; just because you do not know something to be true, it does not follow from this that it is false.

And just because you say it doesn't make it true either. Like I said, the tv stuff is non-canon. I'm guessing that throws at least a few of those feats out the window.

So, sorry if I'm a bit sceptical of taking your word ver batim when you claim outlandish feats without support. But I feel it's my duty in this case, because you've obviously embellished stuff about Adam in the past, and I've seen nearly all his comics and know that some of it has to either be an outright lie or embellishment.

So yes, he has absorbed a few lightning bolts, created a storm (really?), does various other things that are impressive. But I have yet to see an argument that puts him over Supes.

And as for the "Masters" = New Gods in power argument, this is once again without support, and is merely an opinion that I haven't seen any on-panel evidence to suggest is factual. The only ones with feats that are even above, say, Iron Man are Skeletor and He-Man. The rest, to be honest, look like they'd get punked by Spider-Man half the time.

It's striking to me that you've never conceded anything in He-Man threads...it's always a long list of unverifiable feats followed by a statement that He-Man wins. I realize you're a big fan, and that can be admirable, but your debating smacks of fanboy-ism. You want to get him more respect? Find a way to validate these feats as more than either embellishment or tv, post them in the respect thread (or links to a place where I can purchase them myself), then I'll gladly eat my words and say I was wrong.

Supes wins

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And just because you say it doesn't make it true either.

This is also an Argument From Ignorance; just because a premise has not been proved to be true, it does not follow from this that it is false.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Like I said, the tv stuff is non-canon. I'm guessing that throws at least a few of those feats out the window.

A number of the episodes of the television show as well as issues of the comic book are direct or indirect adaptations of the other; sharing characters, plot points, and storylines–so no, it does not.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So, sorry if I'm a bit sceptical of taking your word ver batim when you claim outlandish feats without support.

Listing the instances in which the feats occurred is support.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
But I feel it's my duty in this case, because you've obviously embellished stuff about Adam in the past . . .

By all means, quote the posts in which I have embellished the characteristics or feats of He-Man.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
. . . and I've seen nearly all his comics and know that some of it has to either be an outright lie or embellishment.

I am a greater Masters of the Universe fan than you, and I have not seen all of the over 289 appearances of He-Man in print media.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
So yes, he has absorbed a few lightning bolts, created a storm (really?), does various other things that are impressive. But I have yet to see an argument that puts him over Supes.

Except that He-Man has stalemated Superman in the past, and that the source of the power of He-Man is one of the weaknesses of Superman.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
And as for the "Masters" = New Gods in power argument, this is once again without support, and is merely an opinion that I haven't seen any on-panel evidence to suggest is factual. The only ones with feats that are even above, say, Iron Man are Skeletor and He-Man. The rest, to be honest, look like they'd get punked by Spider-Man half the time.

The fundamental premise of Masters of the Universe is that each character is a Master of the Universe in his own right, e.g. Man-At-Arms is a heroic Master of Weapons, whereas Trap Jaw is a villainous Master of Weapons, and he who claims Castle Grayskull will become Master of the Universe.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
It's striking to me that you've never conceded anything in He-Man threads...it's always a long list of unverifiable feats followed by a statement that He-Man wins. I realize you're a big fan, and that can be admirable, but your debating smacks of fanboy-ism.

This is not true, e.g. I have conceded instances in which He-Man has been reverted to Prince Adam against his will–so no, it does not.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
You want to get him more respect? Find a way to validate these feats as more than either embellishment or tv, post them in the respect thread (or links to a place where I can purchase them myself), then I'll gladly eat my words and say I was wrong.

One need not acknowledge that he is wrong in order to be wrong.

My problem is that it's still too vague. I can't gauge any of this stuff for myself, or know that it's verifiable when I've never even been able to find info on any of the arcs you mentioned (except tv series, which I already addressed). I don't need to see scans before I believe it...I just need something verifiable, and there doesn't seem to be anything (and I looked at length for most of the stuff you've mentioned, bot in this thread and others).

And saying things like "there's some overlap between tv and comics" still doesn't soldify any of the feats. Are they definitely from parts that overlap? Which ones? In which issues? Where can I buy them, or even just hear of their existence? etc. etc.

I want to believe you. Really, I'd love to be proven wrong. I just can't justify it. Anything I claim for He-Man, I can point to an issue # or direct scan.

As for "being a greater He-Man fan" that's nothing more than an arbitrary value judgement, and it also puts me down. I haven't insulted you, merely questioned your debating in a manner that I saw fit. But if we're going to turn into jerks if we continue this conversation (believe me, I'm tempted) I'll just stop now, because it's really not worth it.

Also, it's not a huge deal but I wanted to mention it. This:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
This is also an Argument From Ignorance; just because a premise has not been proved to be true, it does not follow from this that it is false.

...is circular reasoning. I could retort with a similarly circular argument, just switch the terms aorund. Neither statement would be valid as a reasonable argument. But let's just go with what we know, eh? that's been my point all along.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
My problem is that it's still too vague. I can't gauge any of this stuff for myself, or know that it's verifiable when I've never even been able to find info on any of the arcs you mentioned (except tv series, which I already addressed). I don't need to see scans before I believe it...I just need something verifiable, and there doesn't seem to be anything (and I looked at length for most of the stuff you've mentioned, bot in this thread and others).

And saying things like "there's some overlap between tv and comics" still doesn't soldify any of the feats. Are they definitely from parts that overlap? Which ones? In which issues? Where can I buy them, or even just hear of their existence? etc. etc.

I want to believe you. Really, I'd love to be proven wrong. I just can't justify it. Anything I claim for He-Man, I can point to an issue # or direct scan.

Aside from describing the feat, and citing the instance in which it occurred, I do not know that the feats in question can be substantiated in a way that is satisfactory to you, considering only a number of the over 289 appearances of He-Man in print media are thoroughly documented.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
As for "being a greater He-Man fan" that's nothing more than an arbitrary value judgement, and it also puts me down. I haven't insulted you, merely questioned your debating in a manner that I saw fit. But if we're going to turn into jerks if we continue this conversation (believe me, I'm tempted) I'll just stop now, because it's really not worth it.

It is not an arbitrary value judgment, and it is not intended as an insult; I simply have a greater knowledge of Masters of the Universe. If this is not the case, then you would familiar with the instances cited in my previous post.

Originally posted by DigiMark007
Also, it's not a huge deal but I wanted to mention it. This . . . is circular reasoning. I could retort with a similarly circular argument, just switch the terms aorund. Neither statement would be valid as a reasonable argument. But let's just go with what we know, eh? that's been my point all along.

It is not a circular argument, it is the contrapositive of the argument I posted previously.

Ok this match is agaisnt

Superman Man of Steel

vs

He-man Master of the Universe

Who wins?

Also whose physically stronger Superman or He-man

This has been done several times already

so as every other one

true. Superman for the win

Originally posted by Endless Mike
This has been done several times already

Superman vs. He-Man

Superman vs. He-Man

He-Man vs. Superman vs. Hulk

Superman & Hulk vs. He-Man

Who's the Strongest: Superman, Hercules, or He-Man?

yes we know theres other threads the other guy already said

Originally posted by darth malice
yes we know theres other threads the other guy already said

READ THE RULES!! Closed soon.

superman out powers him with his baby toe

ok it can be closed its not a big deal

Superman takes this without breaking a sweat.

He-Man winz without putting effort.

Have you said "MAGICAL SWORD"?