Originally posted by Mr Master
I disagree good friend,
Thanos was already all he could be when he battled Ak,
there's no allusion of any kind that suggests he was lacking knowledge in execution.AK didn't have much feats, I only mentioned what he did,
then again, AK wasn't trying to destroy or even hurt reality,
he was actually trying to make it better. (in his own way)AK mastered the power of TOAA (on panel and corroborated in his 06' bio)
That in itself should be reason enough.
But it also took Thanos 3 hits to win against Ak alone,
it took Thanos one to win against LT and all of 616 combined.
In the End, it isn't Akhen who makes the vast changes in the universe, but the true wielder of THOTI. In The End #3, Eternity says that he has always known about his past and future, but with the coming of Akhen, his past birth seems so distant and his future death so near.
The reason beings like Eternity, Infinity, Order and Chaos did not know what was transpiring was because it was all part of the plan that thanos figured out in the end to destroy all of existence in order to remake it all. That was the true reason Eternity was blind. Not because of the actions of Akhen, but the actions of the highest being.
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=TheEnd06-15_Tato.jpg
In The End Thanos doesn't seem to be finding it difficult to handle Akhen, in fact the very first thing he does after attaining power is to seek akhen out, even though he is still disoriented and in pain from attaining his godlike power.
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=marveltheend4kebbin11.jpg
Just after arriving, Thanos begins his battle with Akhen. However, even disoriented, he still decided to play with Akhen
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=marveltheend4kebbin12.jpg
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=marveltheend1.jpg
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=marveltheend-1.jpg
One of Akhen’s best feats, at least to the Skyfathers, was imprisoning a spirit from beyond the void. The in-betweener did something similar to Death in forcing her kill some elders … Recently Thor possibly had the power to return odin from death, but in the end decided against it.
Yes Akhen wiped out Skyfathers in a single attack.
Yes Thanos wiped out LT, Infinity and Eternity with a single attack
My argument is not whether Akhen was on par with beings like Eternity, because he was.
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=mute-02-10.jpg
It took akhen 2000 years to mental digest the astral revelations, his adjustment being faster than other representatives of the alien beings. 100 years to then master it, even though he had restrictions placed on him. Then he spent the next 2000 years earning the trust of the aliens, before they removed their restrictions from him. Thanos… as far as relative time goes… appears to have done all that in minutes.
Thanos played around with Akhen. In the end of issue 5 thanos determines there is a cancer in eternity and that all things, including death herself would cease. Thanos realizes that giving the power to eternity would only make matters worse, and in the end he would be the only one capable of possibly doing what was necessary to fix it all. That was the true reason why eternity was blind to what was happening. Because Eternity would not have done what was necessary to complete the necessary task. Which basically amounted to self suicide.
Originally posted by rotiartIn the End, it isn't Akhen who makes the vast changes in the universe, but the true wielder of THOTI. In The End #3, Eternity says that he has always known about his past and future, but with the coming of Akhen, his past birth seems so distant and his future death so near.
I have no idea where you're getting any of this (true wielder) good friend.
It was Ak's coming presence
that was skewing "ALL that IS" (Eternity/Infinity) out of balance,
it was completely AK's fault why Eternity/Infinity went blind.
How you figured it was anything at all else from those scans, is beyond me.
Originally posted by rotiartThe reason beings like Eternity, Infinity, Order and Chaos did not know what was transpiring was because it was all part of the plan that thanos figured out in the end to destroy all of existence in order to remake it all. That was the true reason Eternity was blind. Not because of the actions of Akhen, but the actions of the highest being.
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=TheEnd06-15_Tato.jpg
And on top of this,
that scan has absolutely nothing to do with what you're saying.
Not even as an allusion to what you're saying.
Originally posted by rotiartIn The End Thanos doesn't seem to be finding it difficult to handle Akhen, in fact the very first thing he does after attaining power is to seek akhen out, even though he is still disoriented and in pain from attaining his godlike power.
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=marveltheend4kebbin11.jpg
Originally posted by rotiartJust after arriving, Thanos begins his battle with Akhen. However, even disoriented, he still decided to play with Akhen
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=marveltheend4kebbin12.jpg
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=marveltheend1.jpg
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=marveltheend-1.jpg
Thanos could've easily stomped AK had Thanos disconnected AK from the Heart,
but instead, Thanos allowed AK to remain connected to the Heart,
because Thanos wanted to show AK
how much more powerful he was even though AK was connected to TOAA's power.
Originally posted by rotiartOne of Akhen’s best feats, at least to the Skyfathers, was imprisoning a spirit from beyond the void. The in-betweener did something similar to Death in forcing her kill some elders … Recently Thor possibly had the power to return odin from death, but in the end decided against it.
Yes Akhen wiped out Skyfathers in a single attack.
Yes Thanos wiped out LT, Infinity and Eternity with a single attackMy argument is not whether Akhen was on par with beings like Eternity, because he was.
http://s639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/?action=view¤t=mute-02-10.jpg
Obliterating that Skyfather soul was nice,
but beans in comparison.
Originally posted by rotiartIt took akhen 2000 years to mental digest the astral revelations, his adjustment being faster than other representatives of the alien beings. 100 years to then master it, even though he had restrictions placed on him. Then he spent the next 2000 years earning the trust of the aliens, before they removed their restrictions from him. Thanos… as far as relative time goes… appears to have done all that in minutes.
Originally posted by rotiartThanos played around with Akhen. In the end of issue 5 thanos determines there is a cancer in eternity and that all things, including death herself would cease. Thanos realizes that giving the power to eternity would only make matters worse, and in the end he would be the only one capable of possibly doing what was necessary to fix it all. That was the true reason why eternity was blind to what was happening. Because Eternity would not have done what was necessary to complete the necessary task. Which basically amounted to self suicide.
No where on panel or any Handbook is there any mention or even hint,
that that's the reason Eternity/Infinity went blind.
In fact, in your own scans which I have as well,
it is clearly stated by Eternity himself,
that AK is the reason behind his blindness.
If you have any proof, even an allusion that supports your theory,
I'll consider it,
but I know you can not good friend,
because the facts are the facts, and they have already been figured out.
[QUOTE=11626525]Originally posted by Mr Master
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I have no idea where you're getting any of this (true wielder) good friend.
It was Ak's coming presence
that was skewing "ALL that IS" (Eternity/Infinity) out of balance,
it was completely AK's fault why Eternity/Infinity went blind.
How you figured it was anything at all else from those scans, is beyond me.
I completely disagree.
The event that came was not the power of Ak, but the setting into motion by TOAA of events that would lead to the death of Eternity. Eternity himself states that in the past he had always seen his birth and death, but suddenly, it was like his end was ominously close.
And on top of this,
that scan has absolutely nothing to do with what you're saying.
Not even as an allusion to what you're saying.
This goes into the idea that TOAA orchestrated everything.
Ok, and again, this scan has nothing to do with AK's level of power.
This scan was meant to show that Thanos had just achieved his power and was disoriented and in pain, but still was trying to become acclimated to his power. There was a statement earlier that Thanos was fully aware or something I think.
No where, in any of those scans,
does it suggest that Thanos was disoriented while battling AK.
That is true, that is why I was trying to show the page before the one he battles Ak to show that there may have been some disorientation during the battle, and maybe that was why he didn't destroy Ak in a heartbeat, besides the argument that he was just playing with him.
Ok, but the best feat AK had was blinding the power of "ALL that IS" space/time,
and also his warping of 4321 and 616.
even assuming it was Ak, these are feats that are cube level, or at best IG level, which is still possibly LT level or lower.
Obliterating that Skyfather soul was nice,
but beans in comparison.
beans true, but one of the few feats directly stated to have been done by Ak.
Ok, true,
but this again has nothing to do with AK's level of power, or his feats afterwards.
this was meant to imply that as an agent, he was not privy to whatever the full power would be, and therefore possibly not on LT's level.
No where on panel or any Handbook is there any mention or even hint,
that that's the reason Eternity/Infinity went blind. Sorry but i generally don't use/own handbooks, so i have no idea what it says, i'm just going off the issues.
In fact, in your own scans which I have as well,
it is clearly stated by Eternity himself,
that AK is the reason behind his blindness.
In the issue Eternity speaks that with the advent, or coming or AK, he is blind to the past and future, but he states that he sees the universes death sooner than he had before. One can take this as a direct or indirect cause. And that it could be a coincidence.
