Originally posted by ExodusCloakwhere did all this happen, what?
And then there's Namor...is he going to factor into this???So far we have Doom double crossing Namor with Attuma.
Emma double crossing Namor with Shaw.
Norman launching an assault on the X-Men.
Hmm...maybe it will just be a Scott/Norman thing with Emma selling more of her soul to stop the fight.
And if Iron Patriot pushes her off the San Francisco bridge I will kick someones head in.
Originally posted by HueyFreeman
No really a fan of this. X-books have a history of mediocrity. The last really good x series that I liked was morrisons run on new x-men but even then he butchered Magnetos character for it. Still was a good story though.
I disagree. Whedon's in "Astounding" was great (even if very... Whedon-y), and Fraction's "Uncanny" is simply awesome. It makes me feel like I did when I read the X-Men when I was nine. Only like, more cleverly written and infinitely more awesome. Even Warren Ellis' on "Astounding" is brilliant (if you happen to love books that are basically just Ellis being Ellis).
Originally posted by tjcoady
I disagree. Whedon's in "Astounding" was great (even if very... Whedon-y), and Fraction's "Uncanny" is simply awesome. It makes me feel like I did when I read the X-Men when I was nine. Only like, more cleverly written and infinitely more awesome. Even Warren Ellis' on "Astounding" is brilliant (if you happen to love books that are basically just Ellis being Ellis).
Totally agree, except it's "Astonishing" they worked on 😄
Invincible Iron Man is the first time in like... twenty years an Iron Man comic has been even readable (other than the Ellis run).
I dunno; personally I think Fraction is one of Marvel's best writers. Everything he writes is fresh, and interesting, and has that kind of over-the-top awesome that makes comics worth reading. Beast and Archangel cruising around the world, collecting obscure geniuses? Mutant power politics? Magneto and the High Evolutionary, kicking it?
Sign me up.
Originally posted by Kazenji
Well Fraction seems to be good with Iron Man, Iron Fist and some of the Thor one-shots from him was good.
and that's fine. he has a good reputation, but i don't think he's proven he can write x-men just yet...
Originally posted by tjcoady
Invincible Iron Man is the first time in like... twenty years an Iron Man comic has been even readable (other than the Ellis run).I dunno; personally I think Fraction is one of Marvel's best writers. Everything he writes is fresh, and interesting, and has that kind of over-the-top awesome that makes comics worth reading. Beast and Archangel cruising around the world, collecting obscure geniuses? Mutant power politics? Magneto and the High Evolutionary, kicking it?
Sign me up.
that's only the last two or three issues, though, isn't it? he's been writing for a while now, all the way back to X-Men 500... and that sucked.
Originally posted by Raoul
and that's fine. he has a good reputation, but i don't think he's proven he can write x-men just yet...that's only the last two or three issues, though, isn't it? he's been writing for a while now, all the way back to X-Men 500... and that sucked.
Since they moved to San Fransisco. He started, I think, at the exact same time Whedon finished with Kitty's death.
Not sure if that's 500.
Originally posted by tjcoady
Since they moved to San Fransisco. He started, I think, at the exact same time Whedon finished with Kitty's death.Not sure if that's 500.
they moved to san francisco just before 500.
also, my irritation towards fraction is also due to the fact that they're raping the cyclops character and trying to break emma and him up, which is the dumbest shit i've ever seen after the groundwork put in by morrison and whedon...
Originally posted by Raoul
they moved to san francisco just before 500.also, my irritation towards fraction is also due to the fact that they're raping the cyclops character and trying to break emma and him up, which is the dumbest shit i've ever seen after the groundwork put in by morrison and whedon...
No, I see what you mean about Scott and Emma.
Especially because Morrison literally wrote a three issue arc that was about why it's necessary for Scott and Emma to be a couple (when the Beast got posessed by what's-his-name, the dude who is also Kick).
No, I understand that.
But to be honest, that feels more like Bendis' influence (and what's-his-name from Cable and the guy who writes X-Force) than Fraction. Even though Fraction writes the "main" X-Men title, it's obviously dependent on other writers.... especially now that the X-men are more tied to the Marvel Universe than they have been in a long time.... well, and actually, then they have been ever.
And, to be honest, the dishonesty between Scott and Emma is actually kind of interesting. Really, the only conflict over like... two decades between Cyke and Jean was the fact that Jean sometimes and others was the Phoenix. At least that storyline is over... it really did get repetive (which Morrison played around with, in the two issues with Jean and Wolverine dying in Weapon-X satellite).
To be honest, it's kind of necessary to bring up Emma's ridiculous past (in the Hellfire Club, especially). To see that tie into Namor, as well as Tony Stark (who we've known is a Hellfire Club member for a while, even if he was doing his "drunken playboy, pretending to be Batman" routine for it), is kind of awesome. Emma ruining Shaw? Emma keeping secrets from Osborn? That's good stuff. It's just fun to see a reason for the X-men to have to get really involved with the rest of the MU.
Originally posted by tjcoady
No, I see what you mean about Scott and Emma.Especially because Morrison literally wrote a three issue arc that was about why it's necessary for Scott and Emma to be a couple (when the Beast got posessed by what's-his-name, the dude who is also Kick).
No, I understand that.
coolies.
But to be honest, that feels more like Bendis' influence (and what's-his-name from Cable and the guy who writes X-Force) than Fraction. Even though Fraction writes the "main" X-Men title, it's obviously dependent on other writers.... especially now that the X-men are more tied to the Marvel Universe than they have been in a long time.... well, and actually, then they have been ever.
oh, yeah, i totally agree. it just annoys me because iirc, fraction is supposed to be head x-guy.
And, to be honest, the dishonesty between Scott and Emma is actually kind of interesting. Really, the only conflict over like... two decades between Cyke and Jean was the fact that Jean sometimes and others was the Phoenix. At least that storyline is over... it really did get repetive (which Morrison played around with, in the two issues with Jean and Wolverine dying in Weapon-X satellite).
to be honest, i'm tired of cyclops being in unhappy relationships. no man needs that. with emma, i thought he'd finally gotten to the stage where he could say "right, i don't have to worry about shit at home, so i can go out and do my job."
interesting? sure, of course it is, i just don't like them being put through the ringer when they were finally beginning to get comfortable around each other.
To be honest, it's kind of necessary to bring up Emma's ridiculous past (in the Hellfire Club, especially). To see that tie into Namor, as well as Tony Stark (who we've known is a Hellfire Club member for a while, even if he was doing his "drunken playboy, pretending to be Batman" routine for it), is kind of awesome. Emma ruining Shaw? Emma keeping secrets from Osborn? That's good stuff. It's just fun to see a reason for the X-men to have to get really involved with the rest of the MU.
totally agree with all that. i've been waiting for this to happen for years, and its finally happening. i just think where scott and emma are concerned (especially new dickier scott), they're not doing it as well as they could...
Originally posted by tjcoadyI thought Whedons astounding was okay, not great. I feel its overrated and got its props just because its better than most of the other shitty x stories. I can't agree with fraction, his x-men has been terrible to me. Haven't really checked out ellis. Compared to stuff like thor(when its out on time) or captain america, or daredevil, or iron fist, or now even iron man, the x-books fall to the waist side. Thats why I get nervous when issues like this dark x-men come out, last thing I want is for the comic to be popular and the writers decide to put namor on an x-team. Just my opinion.
I disagree. Whedon's in "Astounding" was great (even if very... Whedon-y), and Fraction's "Uncanny" is simply awesome. It makes me feel like I did when I read the X-Men when I was nine. Only like, more cleverly written and infinitely more awesome. Even Warren Ellis' on "Astounding" is brilliant (if you happen to love books that are basically just Ellis being Ellis).