Originally posted by The Nuul
You also need Peters skills far more to use his powers than Logans.
Well, that's true. Because Logan's powersets are an amazing healing factor (that is always turned on, and because he has no adamantium it is now TOTALLY turned on rather than having to constantly fight the Adamantium poisoning), well-honed reflexes, greater than human strength and speed, and very well-developed NATURAL senses (e.g. a sense of smell better than a dogs, hearing to match, sense of taste better than a butterfly's, and similar natural perceptions that have been given to the character by writers over the decades). That's what you get. Now, if you train hard, you can be able to bring all that together into becoming a true fighting beast, having a whole that is far greater than the sum of your parts (which is why Logan in comics can be a far greater hero/fighter/character than his rather 'low' powers would otherwise suggest, and why he has become quite popular and a major component of teams like the X-Men that have members that can emit fire from their eyes, control hurricanes with gestures, or put an entire city to sleep with a thought!)
Thus, controlling Logan's powers obviously takes little skill, since a lot of them are ...well ....automatic. Nothing to control with the HF, and the sense of smell etc.
That doesn't mean, however, that Parker's powers would be hard to control. Not at all.
While you get immense strength and speed, you also automatically get astounding reflexes and dexterity, as well as the pre-cognition senses. When Parker first became Spiderman, he was not exactly as great as he is now ....but he was still well beyond immense! The learning curve was quite fast.
Sure, give two people the same powers, and one will be just simply godly with them (say you grant them to some chap from Paris who is already a parkour expert, or to a Brazillian Capoerista), but even if you gave them to less-than-average chaps like Quanchi, they may not be as great as the French or Brazillian chaps, but they would still be magnitudes enhanced than ANY human on the planet.
Reason is, it is not just speed and strength (either of which can end up killing you ....like some board member in this board about owners of high-performance German cars that I go to, where he killed himself and 3 of his friends some time back driving his BMW M5 off a runway in Florida. Sad story, but goes to show what happens when you give power and speed to someone without control) .....however with the Spider powers you do not only get power and speed, you also get agility and a pre-cognitive sense that shows you what is just about to happen.
Remember people ....Parker was a useless nerd before he got bitten, not some Bruce Wayne protege trained in the BatCave. He was a below average dork who had only his mind as his bright attribute, and who just happened to be fortunate enough to get tagged by a very special spider. Apart from his mind, he was less than average (consider him an analogue of Quanchi ...with far more brains)
Anyways, both power-sets are great ....people have their choices ....mine is easily Spiderman.
Originally posted by Silent Master
Without the adamantium poisoning slowing his healing factor, doesn't Wolverine go feral. So wouldn't that same happen to us?Spider-man's powers for me.
Yup. You would be correct.
That's what would happen (it is quite weird that some think that without the Adamantium the Healing Factor becomes weaker, when the fact is that the Adamantium significantly slows down his HF, and without it it works on overdrive, and dude goes feral. Goodness, Elektra had to work hard to make him not think like a mindless beast!)
I also concur ...I'd select Spiderman's powers too. Being a feral shaggy semi-beast in almost constant berserker rage, with bone claws and what-not doesn't seem to have the same patina as being what can be best termed as a Manga-comics Ninja brought to life.
As I am, I would be able to do far more with those abilities than I would as a feral beast with a life expectancy measured in centuries.
After all, if I wanted to merely have a long life (albeit in a mindless state) I could have easily become a tree. I hear there are some Redwoods that have been alive for a couple thousand years .....!
Originally posted by spetznazlogan had a hf long before he had adamantium, and he was never feral. that feral thing is more logan's personality than a side-effect of hf.That's what would happen (it is quite weird that some think that without the Adamantium the Healing Factor becomes weaker, when the fact is that the Adamantium significantly slows down his HF, and without it it works on overdrive, and dude goes feral.
also, I said it was a bonus to not have the adamantium skeleton because it means I could actually commit suicide if I decided I wanted to die. With the adamantium, it would be much harder to do so.
Originally posted by The Nuul
When are you guys going to show off your powers? in a real a life setting Logans powers are much easier to hide.
Hmmm ...a very hairy man who has major anger control issues due to the feral overhang caused by a Healing Factor that is not controlled by the need to leach the poisonous effects of Adamantium.
vs
A seemingly normal human who just happens to be able to, should he so choose, to jump up several stories with a simple bound, toss a Ford 350 down the street (or simply punch its engine block through the hood), outrace the minivan down the street without breaking a sweat, be able to sense danger (and you can even dodge sniper bullets without making it look like skill ...your pre-cognition tells you the bullet is coming, and you simply bend over to 'tie your shoelace' or anyone of a number of 'coincidential' acts). And if you want to go all gung-ho you simply buy a couple bucks ski-mask, and you can go buckwild!
I'd say Parker's powers can be easily hidden.
Try to do that as a person with Wolverine's powers ....but without the Adamantium as the OP had mentioned, indicating you are going to be feral!
Originally posted by Starscream M
logan had a hf long before he had adamantium, and he was never feral. that feral thing is more logan's personality than a side-effect of hf.also, I said it was a bonus to not have the adamantium skeleton because it means I could actually commit suicide if I decided I wanted to die. With the adamantium, it would be much harder to do so.
Yes logan has a HF before he went through the process that made him Weapon X.
However, it has been shown that since the bonding process, his HF is constantly fighting off the ravages of the adamantium poisoning, and once it is removed the HF (maybe due to constantly fighting chronic poisoning, like how a muscle becomes developed if you use it constantly, or a skill more honed, or an immune system more powerful when exposed to pathogens) goes crazy and turns him feral.
This was explored at length after Magneto forcibly removed the Adamantium from his bones.
The whole issue is well explored in comics.