A Serious Question: Galen Marek stronger than Vader?

Started by Darth Truculent5 pages

I'll play a little devil's advocate - since Marek is stronger than Vader, does that mean he would have been stronger than Luke? He at least would have been on par with Mace, Yoda and Kyp.

It matters not. Vader has had his china body (and china mind) exposed enough times.

They fought on a Space Station and Vader suffered a knock down and was further exposed as a hype job when he got the ceiling collapsed on his head. He was then knocked down again.

Vader had a china body (it was armored, and he still got put on his ass by mere kicks) and was KOED in this fight.

Starkiller did not train for that fight, and yet he easily won.

He didn't "easily won", they were on equal footing and marek was nearly throttled to death earlier in the fight until he reached his clarity and kicked his ass.

Honestly, you seriously are anti-vader.

Originally posted by DorianYates
He didn't "easily won", they were on equal footing and marek was nearly throttled to death earlier in the fight until he reached his clarity and kicked his ass.

Honestly, you seriously are anti-vader.

Vader is all about "woulda, coulda and shoulda!".

He is exposed as a china bodied, poor fighter at all major points in the saga.

For example, against Obi-wan, he had all the advantages, and Kenobi had his mind else where.

Vader is the Peter Mcneely of Star Wars, and I am being very kind at that.

Originally posted by Happy_Sith
Vader is all about "woulda, coulda and shoulda!".

He is exposed as a china bodied, poor fighter at all major points in the saga.

For example, against Obi-wan, he had all the advantages, and Kenobi had his mind else where.

Vader is the Peter Mcneely of Star Wars, and I am being very kind at that.

You don't actually know much about the saga then, do you?

Originally posted by Happy_Sith
Vader is all about "woulda, coulda and shoulda!".

He is exposed as a china bodied, poor fighter at all major points in the saga.

For example, against Obi-wan, he had all the advantages, and Kenobi had his mind else where.

Vader is the Peter Mcneely of Star Wars, and I am being very kind at that.

Calling Vader the Mcneely of SW shows the level of your bias. The guy handled himself against many dangerous foes including the Dark Lady, 6 Jedi in purge, Maul and he killed Palpy while enduring fatal lightning, he had a tremendously high threshold of pain to complement resourcefullness and skill. How does that even correlate to Mcneely? And unlike Sith like Bane, Nadd et al he actually functioned at a galactic scale.

Oh, what a bunch of cry-babies I face!

Yes, I admit I am biased!

I am biased toward fighters with non-glass bodies, and non-rubbish records.

If Vader ever gets a record in which he beats a padawan without major drama, do tell.

Originally posted by Happy_Sith
Oh, what a bunch of cry-babies I face!

Yes, I admit I am biased!

I am biased toward fighters with non-glass bodies, and non-rubbish records.

If Vader ever gets a record in which he beats a padawan without major drama, do tell.

Good thing you're not in charge of quality control at LA, we'd be bombarded by an even greater number of ho-hum Sith Lords with even more derivative and unimaginative stories.

Originally posted by Allankles
Good thing you're not in charge of quality control at LA, we'd be bombarded by an even greater number of ho-hum Sith Lords with even more derivative and unimaginative stories.

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With a superior imagination, Lewis would have lost to Grant in 2. In fact, Botha would have had him in one.

Tyson would have, oh... been gone in 3 against Douglas (instead of 10), and Berkick? Well, let's just say that Ali's genes would have picked up super powers instead of Parkinson's!

In the end though, china/emo Vader, is a main character of Star Wars, and you should take a hint from Lucas and embrace him.

Meanwhile, non china chinned Sith Lords Live: It is why Bane is around (and don't forget the retard Sion)

No really, what the f*ck is wrong with you?

I have just seen through hype-jobs like Vader.

In a better era, Vader would have been exposed a lot quicker.

I am going to have a nap, but I will be back later.

So to give you an idea of just how exposed Vader would be, let me put him in the position of a Sith who had his record tested: Darth Bane.

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In the Brotherhood of Darkness. Anakin has been staring at Githany for the past month. Now he gets to meet her.

Githany: Hi Anakin

Anakin: I will do whatever you ask!

Githany: Get on your knees and I will give you a footjob

Anakin: OK

Githany: OK. Now I will Kill you

Anakin: I love you so much that my death will mean little. My rock band will live on

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So, Anakin is dead.

Originally posted by Happy_Sith
So to give you an idea of just how exposed Vader would be, let me put him in the position of a Sith who had his record tested: Darth Bane.

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In the Brotherhood of Darkness. Anakin has been staring at Githany for the past month. Now he gets to meet her.

Githany: Hi Anakin

Anakin: I will do whatever you ask!

Githany: Get on your knees and I will give you a footjob

Anakin: OK

Githany: OK. Now I will Kill you

Anakin: I love you so much that my death will mean little. My rock band will live on

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So, Anakin is dead.

You're about eleven years old aren't you?

I'll give him 11 1/2 at most.

... Footjob?

At the risk of being presumptuous, I call fetish.

I do recall him (her?) once saying something that made me like him (her?), so all is good.

Originally posted by Happy_Sith
🙂

With a superior imagination, Lewis would have lost to Grant in 2. In fact, Botha would have had him in one.

Tyson would have, oh... been gone in 3 against Douglas (instead of 10), and Berkick? Well, let's just say that Ali's genes would have picked up super powers instead of Parkinson's!

Yeah! Reality can be a motherf*@**%, that's why the decent stories reflect that. Vader reflects that, imo.

You love Bane off of a couple of forgettable novels, that tells me SW is better without people like you managing quality control with the stories.

We don't need an even higher influx of ho-hum Sith, in stories as flavourless as starch.

Originally posted by Allankles
Yeah! Reality can be a motherf*@**%, that's why the decent stories reflect that. Vader reflects that, imo.

You love Bane off of a couple of forgettable novels, that tells me SW is better without people like you managing quality control with the stories.

We don't need an even higher influx of ho-hum Sith, in stories as flavourless as starch.

Well, I think that Zannah will be extremely powerful in the next Bane book (way more powerful than Padme: the woman who pwned Vader), so I look forward to it.

Also, there are characters so powerful in Star Wars that they are close to being perfect. For example, Darth Revan is a "Gary Stu". This means that the author makes him ridiculously powerful/perfect.

So, it is not as if Bane is the only Great character.

Originally posted by Happy_Sith
Well, I think that Zannah will be extremely powerful in the next Bane book (way more powerful than Padme: the woman who pwned Vader), so I look forward to it.

Also, there are characters so powerful in Star Wars that they are close to being perfect. For example, Darth Revan is a "Gary Stu". This means that the author makes him ridiculously powerful/perfect.

So, it is not as if Bane is the only Great character.

Revan was a gary stu in terms of background story with the Mando wars and his life before the Mando wars, he was brought down to Earth to some degree with the beginning of Kotor 1 when he is captured by Bastila.

I recognize that some people like the direction Drew K. went with Bane after Jedi vs Sith, but I don't particularly think it was the best direction.

Plus the Bane books don't have the scope I was expecting, I don't mean galactic level wars, I mean we're not given a good picture of the internal workings of the galaxy i.e. the era isn't fleshed out enough which reduces the impact of the story IMO.

Also, in ROT Zannah didn't come off as a convincing Sith let alone the heir apparent to the DLOTS.

I do realize it's hard to write stories where the outcome is set in stone, however Drew. K could have done more with the personalities and motivations of these two lead characters.

I agree. The author could have done way more with these characters, but even as flawed as the story is, Bane is still awesome.

And I am betting Zannah will be even more powerful

Originally posted by KingD19
I'll give him 11 1/2 at most.

Way off.

200. Yup, 200.