Watchmen

Good logic there..........

Says the man who called the movie The Watchman and has an opinion on the adaptation without having ever read the book.

-AC

It's hard to believe some people haven't read Watchmen. You forget it came out 22 years ago, and given the young people who make up most of the posers - sorry, posters 😛 - on this forum...
To hear how some people read it now and say they don't get what the big deal is - like I said, hard to believe. They don't remember life in the Cold War years.

I would take The Watchmen movie over that shit of the Hulk movies ANY day of the week.

1) There's no "The".

2) What has Hulk got to do with anything? Why do you insist on dissing the character in every thread that I'm in? At least have the balls to admit that's what you're doing. I guess my main question is; What do you get out of baiting me?

Honestly, I wanna solve this. Save the "It wasn't baiting.", it obviously was. It factually was, cos there's literally no other reason for what you just did, and anybody who knows the history of your interactions with me will probably vouch for the fact that you're baiting me.

You've already privately threatened me not to reply to you ANYMORE, ever, or you'll get Raz to ban me (Which another global assured me I haven't got to worry about, cos you do not have any basis to do so), so why are you continuing to bait me? I just hope a decent mod is seeing this and calls you on it.

You're unfit to be a mod and you always have been.

-AC

I received the exact same treatment from WD. He ended telling Raz about me, then a few days later I received a warning, another few days and I received another temp ban.

Well this time I actually have the support of a global mod who agrees that his actions on the forum are repeatedly childish and uncalled for, so it's not just us, clearly.

I PMed Ush when he threatened me, and Ush told me not to worry about such threats, since I'm not breaking any rules. Mods apparantly can't use their power to threaten people just because they dislike them.

He requested I never reply to him again, I would have been happy to adhere to that, but if he's going to openly bait me then I'm going to have a problem, because he's out of line.

-AC

He said he doesn't like the Hulk films. What's that got to do with the price of tea? He's talking to you in code?

There are people who don't like the Hulk films, is all. I've never seen someone challenging a mod here come out on top, so maybe the insults should stop here.

Do you have any idea as to why what he said constitutes baiting? If not, don't speak on it.

You don't know of the history between him and I, so you don't know why he's baiting.

-AC

Hey, AC, what was your favorite chapter in the series?

(I'm trying to lighten the mood here.)

Mine was "The Abyss also Gazes". I loved the origin tale and the way that Rorschach mindf*cked the shrink. I doubt very seriously that this will be in the movie.

Hmm, I'm re-reading it currently, I'll tell you when I'm done.

Right now, the final chapter and the parts where Jon is on Mars. The final chapter because it's just so exciting leading up to Veidt's stronghold.

Cos you know, Veidt was the one who did all the killings.

-AC

Ah come on, AC, your own posts were mentioning Hulk on the previous page! If you can make comparison with the Hulk film, anyone can. It's flagrantly absurd to call that baiting, and to call WD unfit to be a mod is virtually asking for a ban. WD would be justified in banning you for that, for sure.

No-one can help you if you sink yourself, you know.

Anyway, let's face it, Moore films do not work. Even if you getna film that DOES work, it's chaged so much as to no longer be a Moore film, and therefore is no longer worthy of much comment. It's not his fault, we all know he hates them. It's just stuff that multi-layered does not convert well to a typical film format.

I'll go change the title.

If it were anybody else, you'd be correct, but given the reason he threatened me in the first place was because he couldn't successful and civilly discuss Hulk without baiting and being remarkably childish (And has attempted to bait me multiple times previously in the Movie Discussion forum, to which I have witnesses), it's pretty obvious that this is the reason he brought it up. Everyone who witnessed the previous argument knows he has some kind of in-denial vendetta against the character, and all too eagerly expresses it where it's not necessary in order to bait me.

It's not bs, it's actually what happens, and the evidence is there. I compared with Hulk because it was the longest superhero movie I'd ever seen, and one of the longest that exists. It wasn't quality based, hence why his was further irrelevant, and why his choice to slate Hulk above any other movie was clear baiting.

He could have used any other example, but he didn't.

-AC

Frankly, if it's true that WD threatened to ban AC if he ever responded to anything he said ever again, no matter the content, then it's entirely understandable for AC to feel that he's been abusing, or attempting to abuse, his powers.

That as maybe, and also that's not actually a genuine representation of what WD said (he said he would call Raz in for arbitration if the issue between them continued) but regardless, calling WD 'unfit to be a mod' for his post above is ludicrous and, frankly, the sort of comment that has got people banned before.

Raz has made this very clear- you do NOT disparage the mods in public like that. If you have a problem with a mod, you talk to Raz in private. But making such public criticism like that, especially on so ridiculous a pretext, is banworthy.

The Hulk debate between AC and WD went on for pages and pages, within which WD did bait.

Now, his post in this thread is clearly baiting - he has quite obviously seen that AC has posted in this thread, he knows that AC is a fan of the Hulk movie(s), so has then slated them (in a thread about an entirely different movie), to quite obviously spur on an argument with him.

I absolutely cannot agree, and trying to make that case is beyond reason.

AC on the previous page in this debate "If Hulk couldn't be faithfully adapted in three hours, Watchmen can't."

For WD to say back to that that he would rather watch a Watchmen movie than a Hulk one is fair comment after what AC mentioned in that context.

That is not baiting- sorry, it just isn't, and it absolutely will not be treated as such.

Well, he didn't say he was unfit because of his one post above, he brought up a number of problems he had with him. One of which I don't blame AC for being pissed about. Threatening AC, saying that he would attempt to get him banned if he ever responded to him, no matter the content, is something I see as very problematic. Whether he actually bans him himself or not, it could show that he has some degree of spite towards AC and perhaps wants to get him banned. Which would play into the idea of WD's above post being considered baiting. Whether it is or not, I don't know, for I can't see WD's intent.

Originally posted by Ushgarak
I absolutely cannot agree, and trying to make that case is beyond reason.

AC on the previous page in this debate "If Hulk couldn't be faithfully adapted in three hours, Watchmen can't."

For WD to say back to that that he would rather watch a Watchmen movie than a Hulk one is fair comment after what AC mentioned in that context.

That is not baiting- sorry, it just isn't, and it absolutely will not be treated as such.

We'll have to agree to disagree, then, as I think it quite clearly is.

I don't think it would be baiting: if the previous discussions in the Movie Forum hadn't happened, or, if WD hadn't previously requested that AC not reply to him.

Whatever previous issues there have been (and that is a debateable area, not something that AC should feel that is automatically somerthing in his favour) are irrelevant- AC has no business criticising WD so, not in this thread where such issues are irrelevant, and in fact not in any thread at all, which as I say is something Raz has made clear.

You can try and theorise on such intent all day. But unless you can prove it, it is massively inappropriate to call an innocuous post like WDs above, which didn't even mention AC in any way and has no reason at all to cause any reasonable aggravation AND is related to the current topic of discussion as baiting is madness.

But if you really do insist on defending the action publlically, BF, guess we are at an impasse- that being the case, I am very prepared to do what WD wanted. I will call in Raz, and we will settle this issue one way or another, with bans if need be.

My VERY strong recommendation is that AC lets this go and doesn't get riled up that way again, rather than me having to do that.

And never, ever criticise a global mod in public like that. Talk to Raz in private or don't do it at all.