Originally posted by queeq
I don't hate him. I'm just surprised at the crap he approves these days.
Well yeah I don't disagree, I've been disappointed many times by the man's decisions. I'm just saying though that it seems like a very large percentage of Star Wars fans loathe the man that gave them Star Wars in the first place.
There's a documentary coming out called "The People vs. George Lucas" that's actually kind of about that (it's supposed to come out this year I think), trailer: http://www.themovieblog.com/2009/02/the-people-vs-george-lucas-documentary-trailer-online
Originally posted by Captain REX
Lulz, way to miss that.As for hating Lucas, I personally don't. I disagree with some of his creative decisions, but mainly because he is directing his creation towards the younger generation. I'm an adult, so I can't appreciate the cute cuddliness of Ewoks or the 'comical' humor of Jar Jar.
...depends. how young is the generation? because my own generation is pretty young, and I hate Jar Jar. He's just too annoying for my taste.
The cuddliness is okay though. 😄
Originally posted by Captain REX
Lulz, way to miss that.As for hating Lucas, I personally don't. I disagree with some of his creative decisions, but mainly because he is directing his creation towards the younger generation. I'm an adult, so I can't appreciate the cute cuddliness of Ewoks or the 'comical' humor of Jar Jar.
you leave the Ewoks out of this. they fought and died to help complete strangers. they deserve RESPECT DAMMIT!
I think the EU has been the best its ever been, but nonetheless it STILL has a lot of crap.
As to Lucas personally, I liked the PT better than the OT, but he didn't address any of his flaws. I think he has developed such a childish caricature of his own work that he is incapable of seeing past fart jokes, flat characters, and adults whining like children. He has the potential to make better work now than he did, but also worse (maybe just because there is more of it). He thinks he's making all these kid friendly movies, but he's so stuck in his ways he doesn't recognize how children's entertainment has changed and how real thought and quality are appreciated as much by children as they are adults (look at any Pixar movie these days (Nemo, Wall-E, etc)).
I'd take Jar Jar over the Ewoks any day...ANY day. At least when Jar jar kills something, the mechanics of the death are sensical.
ROTJ is the worst movie of Star Wars by a lightyear and a half.
Originally posted by Captain REX
If there is a worst film, it is AOTC. It had its moments of greatness, but overall, the other five films surpass it.Sure, we had Ewoks, but we had the space battle over Endor and Luke confronting the Dark Lords.
AOTC. *shakes head* I'm having a hard time deciding if its the lines or the actors. But since the actors did okay in TPM and ROTS...
Originally posted by Captain REX
If there is a worst film, it is AOTC. It had its moments of greatness, but overall, the other five films surpass it.Sure, we had Ewoks, but we had the space battle over Endor and Luke confronting the Dark Lords.
and the whole jabba sequence at the start. or do people not like that?
Originally posted by Raoul
even if you don't like the ewoks, the duel between luke and vader is one of the best parts of the original trilogy.calling it the worst when we had to sit through achingly bad parts in all three movies of the PT is silly, imo.
So? If the movie had been those 15 minutes, it would have been awesome. It wasn't.
I'm not expressing your opinion, I'm expressing mine. Sorry, I think most of ROTJ is ACHINGLY bad. I dont think one good sequence makes a movie great. Likewise I dont think one bad sequence makes a movie bad. It is by far my least favorite and I rarely watch it, though it did have some really great music.
Originally posted by queeq
I agree. The VAder/Luke(and Palpy) scenes in ROTJ are highlights in the saga. Highlights in a way TPM and AOTC did not have them.
I don't. There was no more cohesive and artistic sequence in the entire saga than Kamino. The intensity and the camerawork of the Battle of Geonosis is only surpassed by the Death Star Run imo. Its the best done battle in the entire Saga. I like those scenes. A scene does not make a good movie.
Moments of character intensity? The scene on Tatooine where Anakin and Padme are talking outside the Lars homestead and then he takes off into the sunset to Duel of the Fates is very competitive with Luke returning to the homestead in ANH and Luke lashing at Vader out of the darkness in ROTJ. All three scenes are very comparable, and the music phenomenally paired in all.
Originally posted by Captain REX
If there is a worst film, it is AOTC. It had its moments of greatness, but overall, the other five films surpass it.Sure, we had Ewoks, but we had the space battle over Endor and Luke confronting the Dark Lords.
The battle over Endor was junk. Lucas couldn't get his mouth around the sFX on that sequence. Even in the edited version there are still only like 5 ships. If you want a space battle, look to TPM or ANH. Coruscant could have been "THE space battle" in ROTS, but the exposition was about getting to a ship, not fighting your way there.
AOTC is my favorite movie in the saga. I wont argue that its the best film, but its my favorite. If you want to talk about the best Star Wars FILM, ANH stands absolutely alone.
Originally posted by Ordo
I don't. There was no more cohesive and artistic sequence in the entire saga than Kamino. The intensity and the camerawork of the Battle of Geonosis is only surpassed by the Death Star Run imo. Its the best done battle in the entire Saga. I like those scenes. A scene does not make a good movie.
True and that's just it with the Geonosis battle: it's just a very well made action scene. But that's it. It's emotionless, pretty pictures, good editing but it doesn't really take us anywhere. As the whole of AOTC does: it lasts well over two hours and takes us nowhere. The Vader/Luke/Palpy scenes are a) emotionally excellent b) it's a well done ending of a saga, ergo it concludes Luke's journey satisfactorily. (Han's and Leia's on the other hand are quite off, I agree there). So in balance, ROTJ outweighs AOTC by a long shot, since SW2 excells at being obsolete.
Originally posted by Ordo
Moments of character intensity? The scene on Tatooine where Anakin and Padme are talking outside the Lars homestead and then he takes off into the sunset to Duel of the Fates is very competitive with Luke returning to the homestead in ANH and Luke lashing at Vader out of the darkness in ROTJ. All three scenes are very comparable, and the music phenomenally paired in all.
Come on, the acting is terrible in those scenes. And the emotional motivation for the characters is deplorable: how on earth (or on Tatooine for that matter) can a clever, sharp and driven woman like Padme go for such a whiny, sadistic, arrogant brat? That scene is all wrong... all wrong.
Originally posted by Ordo
So? If the movie had been those 15 minutes, it would have been awesome. It wasn't.I'm not expressing your opinion, I'm expressing mine. Sorry, I think most of ROTJ is ACHINGLY bad. I dont think one good sequence makes a movie great. Likewise I dont think one bad sequence makes a movie bad. It is by far my least favorite and I rarely watch it, though it did have some really great music.
the luke/vader thing was just an example. there's the jabba's palace scenes. the skiff scenes. the yoda scenes. the scene between luke and leia in the ewok village. the bike chase. han smacking that guy over the rail with the backpack. the ewok smacking himself in the face with the bola. luke's scenes with vader and the emperor. thats more than 15 mins on its own, the duel is only the last part of that.
you don't like ROTJ, i can understand that. a lot of people don't. calling it the worst part in the saga though?
also, agree on the music. it is awesome at times.
Originally posted by queeq
Come on, the acting is terrible in those scenes. And the emotional motivation for the characters is deplorable: how on earth (or on Tatooine for that matter) can a clever, sharp and driven woman like Padme go for such a whiny, sadistic, arrogant brat? That scene is all wrong... all wrong.
yeah, i agree with you there. 100%