Roronoa Zoro Vs. Rurouni Kenshin

The fact that some dumbass actually searched wikipedea for that stuff is what's so funny

Why, becuase I spent the whole 30 seconds to navigate my bookmarks, type in 'hyperbole' and copy/paste? Jesus I'm sad.

And again, what do you think hyperbole is smartass?
Don't disgrace yourself,read what you post, don't just copy/paste the link.

Maybe you should think before you post, you'll survive longer here.

Hyperbole- 'an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, such as 'the silence stretched an eternity' or similar exaggerations. From the dictionary.

What hyperbole is not is a factual event that the reader can witness him/herself, like what you think it is.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Why, becuase I spent the whole 30 seconds to navigate my bookmarks, type in 'hyperbole' and copy/paste? Jesus I'm sad.

Maybe you should think before you post, you'll survive longer here.

Hyperbole- 'an extravagant statement or figure of speech not intended to be taken literally, such as 'the silence stretched an eternity' or similar exaggerations. From the dictionary.

What hyperbole is [b]not is a factual event that the reader can witness him/herself, like what you think it is. [/B]

I never said I can witness godspeed from a human or buildings crumbling from sword swings in my world. but in THEIR world those are facts. When you see Zoro cut the chains of marines ships or a tower vertically in half that is exactly what has happened in their world. The deeds done by a character it's a measure of his strength, hence the comparison begins.

This guy claimed human beings can perceive lightspeed.

He's clearly an idiot and should be ignored.

Originally posted by NemeBro
This guy claimed human beings can perceive lightspeed.

He's clearly an idiot and should be ignored.

Can't read prick?

Just because he is one doesn't give you the right to respond in kind. I'm not going to report this since it was provoked, but you should both practice civility. Especially you, Bro. You just got back from a banning, didn't you? 😛

Originally posted by XanatosForever
Just because he is one doesn't give you the right to respond in kind. I'm not going to report this since it was provoked, but you should both practice civility. Especially you, Bro. You just got back from a banning, didn't you? 😛

All in a day's work smoke

Originally posted by Danielnoctis
Can't read prick?

You have shit knowledge on either characters.

First of all.

Kenshin swinging his sword as hard as he can with the sharp edge would not even be any trouble for Zoro, he is too durable.

Zoro is far stronger physically, this cannot be debated.

Kenshin's best feats are bullet-timing, and even then he is not fast enough to dodge large amounts of gun-fire, the mobster who fired a gatling gun at Kenshin would have killed him if his gun was not sabotaged. Bullet-timing has been in OPverse for...Well since like chapter five or six. Luffy from the top of a marine base was able to intercept bullets shot at Koby and Zoro, who were at ground level. Yeah, Zoro, Luffy, and the like are much faster than that now. By "FEATS," not titles, Zoro is faster.

As for more experienced...How do you figure? Zoro is a little younger than Kenshin, sure, but he has been hunting pirates and has fought numerous powerful opponents for years. He has faced a wider variety of opponents than Kenshin can claim to have.

Zoro wins, without his swords.

Bring Zoro and his swords, Kenshin would simply f*ck him up.when it comes to sword fights(especially katana ones) a single swing goes a long way, maybe it can even end the duel but that would be what? un-cinematic?
at the gatling-gun Kenshin was still at a time where not being the Battousai affected his performance greatly, had fought before(2 enemies) one being Aoi.
to disappear right in front of trained opponent eyes while running is a feat coming straight out of fantasy, it's not like: you don't see bullets flying most of the time too.That's because given a bullet's size is that small it's virtually impossible to see it when adding it's speed, but when it comes to human body, not even super sonic speed can render it invisible. there's just too much mass.So you need a much higher speed.

Have you forgotten what Kenshin learned from his master the passing technique? there were two techniques he learned. Namely the first technique,Ku-zu-ryu-sen consisted on Kenshin hitting nine vital spots simultaneously. Now to do something close to that Zoro has that technique he does where he's supposedly wielding nine katanas simultaneously. So practically Zoro uses three katanas in order to hit 9 spots simultaneously whereas Kenshin uses a single one to do the same.

Now to achieve such a speed you need to be really strong physically. And don't think about Zoro as a tank, he's just human himself. When he attacked his own legs(from Mr. 3 wax technique) he was "handicapped" immediately. And remember, he was in a stance where he couldn't cut the wax (which was as hard as steel they say) so that means zoro's flesh isn't as durable as steel, Kenshin could cut steel even with his former Sakabato. So if Kenshin strikes ONE of Zoro's vitals is over.
Zoro is 19 years old, whereas Kenshin is 28. talk now...

Originally posted by Danielnoctis
Bring Zoro and his swords, Kenshin would simply f*ck him up.when it comes to sword fights(especially katana ones) a single swing goes a long way, maybe it can even end the duel but that would be what? un-cinematic?
at the gatling-gun Kenshin was still at a time where not being the Battousai affected his performance greatly, had fought before(2 enemies) one being Aoi.
to disappear right in front of trained opponent eyes while running is a feat coming straight out of fantasy, it's not like: you don't see bullets flying most of the time too.That's because given a bullet's size is that small it's virtually impossible to see it when adding it's speed, but when it comes to human body, not even super sonic speed can render it invisible. there's just too much mass.So you need a much higher speed.

Have you forgotten what Kenshin learned from his master the passing technique? there were two techniques he learned. Namely the first technique,Ku-zu-ryu-sen consisted on Kenshin hitting nine vital spots simultaneously. Now to do something close to that Zoro has that technique he does where he's supposedly wielding nine katanas simultaneously. So practically Zoro uses three katanas in order to hit 9 spots simultaneously whereas Kenshin uses a single one to do the same.

Now to achieve such a speed you need to be really strong physically. And don't think about Zoro as a tank, he's just human himself. When he attacked his own legs(from Mr. 3 wax technique) he was "handicapped" immediately. And remember, he was in a stance where he couldn't cut the wax (which was as hard as steel they say) so that means zoro's flesh isn't as durable as steel, Kenshin could cut steel even with his former Sakabato. So if Kenshin strikes ONE of Zoro's vitals is over.
Zoro is 19 years old, whereas Kenshin is 28. talk now...

2. He was not crippled by those enemies. The first guy only landed like a few punches, and Aoshi only gave him superficial wounds. It is true that he is faster now, but nowhere near as fast as Zoro, reactions especially. Not even supersonic speed can render a human invisible? Haha prove this statement. The most widely accepted speed for a human to be invisible is around 200 miles per hour. Slower than a bullet in other words. Also, any CP9 agent is faster than the eye can see, and Zoro beat their second strongest agent.

3. "Simultaneously" is relative. Also unquantifiable in this case. Provide quantifiable feats. Since by those, Zoro is much faster.

4. Right, because it is not like Oda confirmed that the Straw Hats get progressively more powerful as the arcs go one. Wait! He did! 😱 When did Kenshin cut steel? Zoro on the other hand cut Kuma, who is harder than steel. Oh, and as for durability, did you not see when Zoro survived Kuma's Ursa Shock, and was still standing? Yeah. No Kenshin character is taking out Zoro, hell, he can take out Kenshin's master with ease, even using his bare hands. Zoro only "human?" You clearly are not aware of the physical capabilities of a normal human, Zoro exceeds them in every way, hell, it is a well known fact that Zoro has superhuman durability and endurance. One strike is not going to deter Zoro, especially considering Zoro is much faster and not going to be hit.

5. Kenshin has spent his days fighting relatively normal samurai, with very little variety. Zoro has fought lightning elementals, cyborgs, zombies, other samurai, etc. Zoro has more experience in his short life.

Kenshin wouldn't even make it out of the East Blue(not including Mihawk in this), let alone hope to step up to some of the people Zoro fought on the Grand Line. Zoro nukes Kenshin and pretty much everyone else in the Kenshinverse without breaking much of a sweat.

All "evidences" state otherwise simply because you don't stop to think and 'cos your not very able to, even when you try.

You simply measure the battle dimensions and then take it for granted,while overlooking "minor details" which actually tell more.
In terms of human as in our world, of course Zoro isn't. Hell no character who can do inhuman feats is. But Zoro has never eaten a Devil Fruit so he remains human at least as for endurance. i know Zoro can cut steel I'm not arguing that, my point is Zoro's flesh is weaker then steel[as shown in the cake like technique of Mr.2 where Zoro was in a stance where he couldn't cut the wax(which was as hard as steel)but he could and did damage his feet] and also Zoro doesn't stand in fire line like Luffy does, he either dodges or blocks gunfire meaning that a single one can damage/cut him, and if Kenshin's never seen to cut steel, well he HAS cut swords and weapons and as I've said previously Kenshin admits to be able to perform Znatetsuken.(he wouldn't lie in the circumstance they were because the plan would depend on it)He also admits to only be able to do so on the part above the sea so that means he has done it beforehand.

Just because the audience doesn't see the character doesn't mean that he is faster then eyes,it's commonly done to emphasize speed.(like in boxing animes and such.)Even Usopp escaped some of the CP9 agents attacks just by running or ducking cowradly sometimes.Nami even beats one. But when a character in the same universe admits to not be able to see someone it's another story.

And no human can become invisible in 200 miles per hours, that's ridiculous. go google fastest cars and you'll see what I mean.

In reactions kenshin is even faster then moving, that's fact, at first kenshin couldn't match the speed of Sojiro, he couldn't even see him but he could defend against him.and Kenshin's trick of foreseeing attacks based on emotions didn't work with Sojiro so it was pure reflexes and reaction to them.

How the heck can simultaneously be relative?More than one attack it's either simultaneous or it's consecutive.Period. And speed is quantifiable in itself: If I can hit 9 targets simultaneously with a SINGLE sword, and you need 3(I take for granted that additional arms and heads were illusional) to do the same who's faster?
Even the act itself of wielding a sword in your mouth means that you compensate your lack of speed and combos with a third sword.(the opposite would be if you were that bad-ass you could kill every single opponent as say, *single handed, right?) That would directly mean your faster,stronger and more skillful then if you required to wield 3 in order to do so.
It's like that little girl who always used to beat Zoro. If you have better attributes then your opponent, you'll beat him no matter how much swords he wields.

The one who landed those punches didn't simply gave kenshin bruises, they were "gentle fist" attacks so to speak 'cos kenshin didn't bleed and he didn't feel them right away but they bruised a few sec. afterwards. Kenpo, the style he used is a soft martial art itself.And attacks that bruise you that quick and without first turning the spot red mean that the organ has been attacked internally and not on impact, which is very dangerous. Kenshin had to defend against Aoshi with his saya, again weakening his fighting style.(battojutsu relies almost solely on the saya mechanics in order to perform any knid of draw-cutting)Kenshin also got some wounds that were right in the middle of the chest thus preventing a swordsman to swing effortlessly.

The fact that Kenshin has defeated so much samurais who depending on their squadron had completely different styles means that kenshin has been able to wittiness all different sorts of katana attacks,styles and wielding positions, thus allowing Kenshin to know almost everything there is to know about a katana and thus making his katana much more valuable and versatile,see firsthand what works and what doesn't, and use different attacks on different circumstances. Zoro, on the other hand has defeated a lot of variation but very little fighters with katanas.(Not just any swords, katanas because swordsmen with different types of swords can not acquire and thus benefit by attacks and stances from each other)

*Note: I'm NOT saying anyone in Kenshinverse does that.It was meant for emphasize.

Originally posted by Danielnoctis
i know Zoro can cut steel I'm not arguing that, my point is Zoro's flesh is weaker then steel[as shown in the cake like technique of Mr.2 where Zoro was in a stance where he couldn't cut the wax(which was as hard as steel)but he could and did damage his feet] and also Zoro doesn't stand in fire line like Luffy does, he either dodges or blocks gunfire meaning that a single one can damage/cut him, and if Kenshin's never seen to cut steel, well he HAS cut swords and weapons and as I've said previously Kenshin admits to be able to perform Znatetsuken.(he wouldn't lie in the circumstance they were because the plan would depend on it)He also admits to only be able to do so on the part above the sea so that means he has done it beforehand.

1. He was buried in the wax almost to his calves. Simple sword slashes wouldn't have gotten him free from that much thick wax.

2. He wasn't positioned at the edge which would've let him use slashes, anyway. He'd have to use nothing but stabs and that would've taken too long and he'd have been turned into a wax statue, regardless.

3. Going off what I just stated above, Zoro, along with Dorry(I think it was?), wanted to fight right away and the only to do that was to hack his feet off because any other method would've taken way too long.

4. Zoro couldn't cut steel at that point in time. He wasn't able to until the Mr. 1 fight in Alabasta.

Nami even beats one.

In reactions kenshin is even faster then moving, that's fact, at first kenshin couldn't match the speed of Sojiro, he couldn't even see him but he could defend against him.and Kenshin's trick of foreseeing attacks based on emotions didn't work with Sojiro so it was pure reflexes and reaction to them.

Soujiro landed a strike on Kenshin's back like two steps before Shinkuchi and said that he had planned to kill Kenshin with that strike, but then plot stepped in and all of the sudden Soujiro's emotions started coming back. That case of PIS is almost as bad as Shishio pretty much beating Kenshin and not killing him whne he went down the first time before the others tried to take Shishio out.

It's like that little girl who always used to beat Zoro. If you have better attributes then your opponent, you'll beat him no matter how much swords he wields.

The one who landed those punches didn't simply gave kenshin bruises, they were "gentle fist" attacks so to speak 'cos kenshin didn't bleed and he didn't feel them right away but they bruised a few sec. afterwards.

Kenpo, the style he used is a soft martial art itself.And attacks that bruise you that quick and without first turning the spot red mean that the organ has been attacked internally and not on impact, which is very dangerous. Kenshin had to defend against Aoshi with his saya, again weakening his fighting style.(battojutsu relies almost solely on the saya mechanics in order to perform any knid of draw-cutting)Kenshin also got some wounds that were right in the middle of the chest thus preventing a swordsman to swing effortlessly.

The fact that Kenshin has defeated so much samurais who depending on their squadron had completely different styles means that kenshin has been able to wittiness all different sorts of katana attacks,styles and wielding positions, thus allowing Kenshin to know almost everything there is to know about a katana and thus making his katana much more valuable and versatile,see firsthand what works and what doesn't, and use different attacks on different circumstances.

Zoro, on the other hand has defeated a lot of variation but very little fighters with katanas.(Not just any swords, katanas because swordsmen with different types of swords can not acquire and thus benefit by attacks and stances from each other)

For every special technique Kenshin posesses, Zoro has one that is much better, and cooler. And will kill Kenshin in one hit. And BTW, if Mihawk cutting him clean down the middle only ko'd Zoro, and he can lose 5 liters of blood(we only have 8) and keep fighting, Kenshin's goin down.

Most of your answers simply add prescriptions to my post and don't argue against them.
The first one: Hacking his feet instead of the wax proves to things:
1-Zoro's flesh is weaker then steel.
2-Zoro wasn't that accurate with his sword strikes back then.
(And Zoro was able to cut steel before fighting Mr.1, he cut the marines ship's chains back in that "dragon who didn't remember" arc.)

The second one:You just don't know what to say, am I right?Keep in mind that the plot doesn't just happen, the producer always comes up with an explanation or a situation which can lead in the character's victory, not a "well he's the hero he gotta save the day." Also don't mistake Kenshin with Nami, Kenshin simply won because he understands and reads the "patterns" of the enemies, so to speak.You might see Kenshin in deep shit, but that's temporary because he hasn't caught "the catch" of his adversary yet.Once he has, he thinks of a countering attack and that's it. Whereas Nami doesn't even know the basics of a battle, she can't read patterns,she can't protect herself so if she won that's primary the CP9 agent's fault.

The third:
Shishio was a swordsman not a douche to stab Kenshin when he was down. Also kenshin hadn't shown his new moves yet so kenshin had some tricks up his sleeve reserved. Also laying down was a temporary state, you don't know, Kenshin might have woke up due to his awareness even if Shishio did approach to stab him.

And don't take the PIS for granted, in a fight whoever is the better wins.Unless someone suicides that is. Leaving emotions out of battle is also part of a better fighter. So even if you're stronger, the moment your emotions get in the way, I become a stronger fighter then you.

Kuina being older,bigger and having more experience in swords were exactly the attributes I was refereeing to when comparing a single-sword wielder vs. a multi-sword one. You just felt for yourself.

Next: The one who punched Kenshin with "gentle fist" like technique wasn't Aoi,it was that guy form Oniwabanshu former group, the one with the Demon mask and a blouse with red&black stripes. You should recheck your sources.

How is it relevant? For starters it's meant to give everyone who thinks of Kenshin as a wussy with no endurance compared to Zoro a raw example of Kenshin's endurance.Second: Kenshin's ability to adapt into different situations, be they wounds,sword's and style's broken mechanics etc. Give more thoughts when replying.

Note that I never said they even were a match for Zoro to begin with, my point was that when Kenshin beat those samurais he acquired more knowledge on how to manage the Katana.They helped in making Kenshin full-fledged. So even samurais of low level were taught styles and stances depending on their squadron, i.e: kenshin knows how to deflect and counter Saito's Shisengumi-esque dash because Kenshin has seen it beforehand. He might even perform something close to that if need be because he was given the chance to see it. Same thing happened with the policemen in the beginning(you know the one where you put your Katana above your head) etc.

That's quite a bold statement and irrelevant as ****, something like that was never witnessed. You've got troubles backing my posts even with Zoro, let alone the other who'll get forget after an episode or two.

And when you want to reply back to my post you should try to bring all of my topics down, not just the one you think are "negotiable".

Originally posted by Danielnoctis
Most of your answers simply add prescriptions to my post and don't argue against them.
The first one: Hacking his feet instead of the wax proves to things:
1-Zoro's flesh is weaker then steel.
2-Zoro wasn't that accurate with his sword strikes back then.
(And Zoro was able to cut steel before fighting Mr.1, he cut the marines ship's chains back in that "dragon who didn't remember" arc.)

2. He is accurate with his strikes. IT'S JUST THAT IT'D TAKE LONGER FOR HIM TO TRY AND CUT THROUGH THE WAX THAN IT WOULD BE TO CUT THROUGH HIS LEGS! Does that simple concept make sense?

And why the hell are you using filler from the anime? Zoro didn't cut steel til the Mr. 1 fight. Point blank, end of story.

The second one:You just don't know what to say, am I right?Keep in mind that the plot doesn't just happen, the producer always comes up with an explanation or a situation which can lead in the character's victory, not a "well he's the hero he gotta save the day." Also don't mistake Kenshin with Nami, Kenshin simply won because he understands and reads the "patterns" of the enemies, so to speak.You might see Kenshin in deep shit, but that's temporary because he hasn't caught "the catch" of his adversary yet.Once he has, he thinks of a countering attack and that's it. Whereas Nami doesn't even know the basics of a battle, she can't read patterns,she can't protect herself so if she won that's primary the CP9 agent's fault.

The third:
Shishio was a swordsman not a douche to stab Kenshin when he was down. Also kenshin hadn't shown his new moves yet so kenshin had some tricks up his sleeve reserved. Also laying down was a temporary state, you don't know, Kenshin might have woke up due to his awareness even if Shishio did approach to stab him.

HE WAS COMPLETELY OUT OF IT! That's why Aoshi attacked Shishio after Saito and Sano failed because it bought him time to recover! Shishio even mentions it himself after saying how weak Aoshi's Kaiten Kenbu Rouruken was!

And don't take the PIS for granted, in a fight whoever is the better wins.Unless someone suicides that is. Leaving emotions out of battle is also part of a better fighter. So even if you're stronger, the moment your emotions get in the way, I become a stronger fighter then you.

Kuina being older,bigger and having more experience in swords were exactly the attributes I was refereeing to when comparing a single-sword wielder vs. a multi-sword one. You just felt for yourself.

Next: The one who punched Kenshin with "gentle fist" like technique wasn't Aoi,it was that guy form Oniwabanshu former group, the one with the Demon mask and a blouse with red&black stripes. You should recheck your sources.

Hanya never used any sort of "gentle fist" against Kenshin. He was punching and backhanding him in the head before breaking out his crappy Wolverine claws. READ. THE. MANGA.

How is it relevant? For starters it's meant to give everyone who thinks of Kenshin as a wussy with no endurance compared to Zoro a raw example of Kenshin's endurance.Second: Kenshin's ability to adapt into different situations, be they wounds,sword's and style's broken mechanics etc. Give more thoughts when replying.

Note that I never said they even were a match for Zoro to begin with, my point was that when Kenshin beat those samurais he acquired more knowledge on how to manage the Katana.They helped in making Kenshin full-fledged. So even samurais of low level were taught styles and stances depending on their squadron, i.e: kenshin knows how to deflect and counter Saito's Shisengumi-esque dash because Kenshin has seen it beforehand. He might even perform something close to that if need be because he was given the chance to see it. Same thing happened with the policemen in the beginning(you know the one where you put your Katana above your head) etc.

That's quite a bold statement and irrelevant as ****, something like that was never witnessed. You've got troubles backing my posts even with Zoro, let alone the other who'll get forget after an episode or two.

And when you want to reply back to my post you should try to bring all of my topics down, not just the one you think are "negotiable".

Zoro for the easy win.