Soviet Union

Started by lil bitchiness2 pages

Originally posted by Forum Ninja
Well, they're not fascist. You kind of missed my point entirely. I just wanted to clarify that Russia has not gone without fascism. Oh, I'm not counting Putin's subliminally fascist Russia either.

You should have asked me to elaborate instead of going on a condescending rampage based on an assumption.

So have Canada and America and about every country in the world. Almost every one had fascism, that doesn't make them fascist countries. Your point is non existant. Russia was never a fascist country. To claim otherwise is ignorant of history.

And the fact you hate Putin for whatever reason, doesn't make Russia fascist. I don't like Bush, Obama and I hate both Clintons but that doesn't make America fascist nor any less of a democracy....by what modern society defines it.

Troll:
You should have asked me to elaborate instead of going on a condescending rampage based on an assumption.

That was predictable.

Mod:
I don't like [...]Obama...

Why not? (Seriously. Why not?)

Originally posted by UKR
Well, I wouldn't call Canada a free country, what with racism being illegal and punishable and all. I guess this country's government doesn't consider freedom important compared to political correctness. If fascists hate freedom, then Canada is certainly run by fascists. The only way racists should be able to go to jail is if they physically harm someone or cause property damage. Racism should be legalized...not marijuana or gay marriage.

So it's time to oppress the blacks the gays and the hippies? That seems pretty bad too.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
So have Canada and America and about every country in the world. Almost every one had fascism, that doesn't make them fascist countries. Your point is non existant. Russia was never a fascist country. To claim otherwise is ignorant of history.

And the fact you hate Putin for whatever reason, doesn't make Russia fascist. I don't like Bush, Obama and I hate both Clintons but that doesn't make America fascist nor any less of a democracy....by what modern society defines it.

My point is not nonexistent because you do not understand it. Don't be absurd. Not every country in the world has had some form of fascism within their government. I was just clarifying that Russia did not go without a form of fascism inside of their country. It's a simple concept to grasp, really. I wasn't arguing with you when I posted that link. I figured it was quite an interesting fact.

Wait, where did I say I hated Putin? Can you repost that for me?

And you have the gall to claim I'm ignorant?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
That was predictable.

I've just reported you for stalking. (It sounds silly, I know) Every thread I go in, you're there to misinterpret my posts as trolling. It's getting a little overboard now. Or wait, did you use your startling intellect to read through the lines of my first post in this thread (Which was a link, may I remind you) to cleverly figure out I was a troll like you did on the last occassion?

Stop stepping on my heels and create some distance between us.

Every thread I go in

I'd better stop and clarify:
[patience]
Forum Ninja, do you mean this as harmless hyperbole or are you intentionally misstating our level of interaction? I am curious, you see, because I don't believe that I have responded to you since I put you on ignore. To say that I have "misrepresented your posts" in "every thread" is, at best, a startling overstatement, and at worst an outright lie.
[/patience]

Anyway, calling a moderator's post a 'condescending rampage based on an assumption' is an ad hominem attack, and a foolish one at that. That her argument was intended to rebut a point that you implied (very, very strongly) does not make her points less valid. That you seem to be incapable of communicating your true meaning in any on-topic post you make (relying instead on smug off topic rants [trolling]) indicates that you simply are not very good at this. Perhaps it would help everyone if you posted some sort of indicator in your initial post in any given thread that says exactly what your position is?

Example:

Troll:
[cryptic, needlessly vague statement]
[poor communication skills]
And, by the way, my real position on this topic is:

You could simply answer the question or discussion topic with some sort of a thesis statement. That wouldn't be much trouble and it would instantly protect you from the misunderstandings that you claim to want to avoid.

Originally posted by Forum Ninja
My point is not nonexistent because you do not understand it. Don't be absurd. Not every country in the world has had some form of fascism within their government. I was just clarifying that Russia did not go without a form of fascism inside of their country. It's a simple concept to grasp, really. I wasn't arguing with you when I posted that link. I figured it was quite an interesting fact.

Wait, where did I say I hated Putin? Can you repost that for me?

And you have the gall to claim I'm ignorant?

I've just reported you for stalking. (It sounds silly, I know) Every thread I go in, you're there to misinterpret my posts as trolling. It's getting a little overboard now. Or wait, did you use your startling intellect to read through the lines of my first post in this thread (Which was a link, may I remind you) to cleverly figure out I was a troll like you did on the last occassion?

Stop stepping on my heels and create some distance between us.

You seem to lack comprehension. I never named you ignorant, but stated that calling Russia fascist is ignorant of history. Which it is.
Equating dictatorship with fascism is also ignorant.
You identified with that post.

Also, your point is non existent. You presented a link from Wikipedia stating that Russia had a minor fascist party as a reply to the discussion that Russia was fascist.

By your logic, Canada, UK, America, France were also fascist. Which frankly is an insult to all those countries which tirelessly fought against Fascism.
Certain countries listed above STILL have fascist parties, are they fascist? No.

Therefore, you have no point. You were just trolling with wikipedia, making a smart ass comment.

Originally posted by Forum Ninja
Well, they're not fascist. You kind of missed my point entirely. I just wanted to clarify that Russia has not gone without fascism. Oh, I'm not counting Putin's subliminally fascist Russia either.

You should have asked me to elaborate instead of going on a condescending rampage based on an assumption.

Problem is you didn't actually initially make any point. You just posted a link with no explanation after quoting someone, which generally means that you are retorting what they said with the information from said link, implying that they are wrong.

The fault alone is yours, you should have clarified what you meant. If your point was simply that a small fascist party existed at some point in the massive landmass that is Russia despite it being irrelevant to the discussion, you should have made that clear.

Re: Soviet Union

Originally posted by UKR

What would the world situation be if the Soviet Union hadn't fallen?

There wouldn't be a Germany.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You seem to lack comprehension. I never named you ignorant, but stated that calling Russia fascist is ignorant of history. Which it is.
Equating dictatorship with fascism is also ignorant.
You identified with that post.

Also, your point is non existent. You presented a link from Wikipedia stating that Russia had a minor fascist party as a reply to the discussion that Russia was fascist.

By your logic, Canada, UK, America, France were also fascist. Which frankly is an insult to all those countries which tirelessly fought against Fascism.
Certain countries listed above STILL have fascist parties, are they fascist? No.

Therefore, you have no point. You were just trolling with wikipedia, making a smart ass comment.

No, a link cannot be sarcastic. Is English your first language? To clarify (Before another assumption is made) that is a genuine question. Just because something wasn't there does not mean you can logically assume I was sarcastic. Really?

I never called Russia fascist. Why would you even hint I was ignorant at any point?

"Nonexistent" is one word.

Here is the purpose of the link I posted (Again): I posted the link to point out that Russia had not gone with a fascist party. It's pretty simple when you explain it enough times. I made that clear. Your friends, Backfire and Red Nemesis, do not seem to grasp this either. They assume I posted after you negatively. If I did, how so? I posted a single link.

By my logic? How did my logic indicate that the entirety of Canada, America or even Russia was fascist? Russia wasn't. They had a fascist party, yes! Was that missing from the link I posted?

This is the last time I'm going over this and then I simply won't post again. There is only so many times I repeat myself. You have no need to debate for the sake of it. I made my intentions clear because you interpreted them incorrectly.

The only issue I'm having is that you were automatically condescending towards me. And why? You assumed my intentions were ill-mannered. They were not. If I posted the link with an awfully snide remark or something, it would be different. I didn't.

Problem is you didn't actually initially make any point. You just posted a link with no explanation after quoting someone, which generally means that you are retorting what they said with the information from said link, implying that they are wrong.

I didn't make a point? Did I not explain it properly? This could be my fault but I seem to recall listing the reason as to why I posted the link. More than once.

Wait, It generally means I'm retorting?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/retort

I wasn't retorting. How can I possibly imply someone is wrong with a link? If I posted a link containing an article with fascism being utilized in Russia's government, that would be different.

The fault alone is yours, you should have clarified what you meant. If your point was simply that a small fascist party existed at some point in the massive landmass that is Russia despite it being irrelevant to the discussion, you should have made that clear.

You're right here and I agree with you. I should have made it clear. Ask yourself this, though. Do you believe lil bitchiness (As a moderator) should have jumped to a conclusion and assumed I was negative with my post? She was quite condescending. That's totally unfair, especially considering she didn't bother to ask me what the intent of my post was. Actually, I've explained to her and she still believes it was some form of trolling. That's absurd.

I think the Cold War would have fizzled out eventually unless the government kept using it as an excuse to experiment with new weaponry or rival the USSR in something, anything. The American and Russian people may have just grown tired of it, feeling like there was always an atomic bomb hanging just over their heads.