Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
Everyone is more versatile than Kenny.
Versatile, yes, as effective a fighter as Byakuya, no.
Don't know if Kenny's got the flash step ability, that's the only way he's avoiding Senbonzakura Kageyoshi...even he can't take repeated assaults from Byakuya's bankai.
Am I allowed to use ABC logic here 😛?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix1. Kenny is fast enough, not Bankai Ichigo in speed, but he showed in his fight with Noitora to be quick.
Versatile, yes, as effective a fighter as Byakuya, no.Don't know if Kenny's got the flash step ability, that's the only way he's avoiding Senbonzakura Kageyoshi...even he can't take repeated assaults from Byakuya's bankai.
Am I allowed to use ABC logic here 😛?
2. Can I?
Cause using it.
Byakuya had a hard time with Zommari.
Noitora>>Zommari.
Kenpachi when he got serious destroyed Noitora.
Sure you wanna do that?
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Kenny is fast enough, not Bankai Ichigo in speed, but he showed in his fight with Noitora to be quick.2. Can I?
Cause using it.
Byakuya had a hard time with Zommari.
Noitora>>Zommari.
Kenpachi when he got serious destroyed Noitora.
Sure you wanna do that?
Nope, that's not fast enough to avoid Senbonzakura Kageyoshi's first form. Given that they are projectile-type, you have to be a lot faster to avoid them especially when Byakuya uses his hands.
Yep, Kenpachi nearly beat Ichigo using shikai, Byakuya nearly beat Ichigo using bankai
Ichigo's Bankai>>>>>>>>>>Ichigo's Shikai
Given Zommari's ability when released, it's understandable that Byakuya had a hard time during and after he got released from the control, given that he cut his tendons and all.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix1. Right, because he will be able to do so with Kenny rushing him and attacking him head-on? Not even counting his durability.
Nope, that's not fast enough to avoid Senbonzakura Kageyoshi's first form. Given that they are projectile-type, you have to be a lot faster to avoid them especially when Byakuya uses his hands.Yep, Kenpachi nearly beat Ichigo using shikai, Byakuya nearly beat Ichigo using bankai
Ichigo's Bankai>>>>>>>>>>Ichigo's Shikai
Given Zommari's ability when released, it's understandable that Byakuya had a hard time during and after he got released from the control, given that he cut his tendons and all.
2. Ichigo had a temporary amp. And that fight was major PIS.
You're over estimating his durability, he was brought down by Ichigo, Byakuya sure as hell has the guns to bring down Kenpachi.
You're also forgetting the fact that the blades can be used as a shield, a shield which stood up to attacks from Ichigo.
What amp? Gaining the bankai? It is an amp, which works in Byakuya's favor if we're using ABC logic...
By your logic, I could also say that Kenpachi beating Tosen is PIS.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix1. Who had a temporary amp he never had again in the series.
You're over estimating his durability, he was brought down by Ichigo, Byakuya sure as hell has the guns to bring down Kenpachi.
You're also forgetting the fact that the blades can be used as a shield, a shield which stood up to attacks from Ichigo.What amp? Gaining the bankai? It is an amp, which works in Byakuya's favor if we're using ABC logic...
By your logic, I could also say that Kenpachi beating Tosen is PIS.
Kenpachi hits harder than Ichigo. Ichigo could not hurt Noitora, when Kenny got serious, he did so easily.
3. No, during the fight with Kenny, he gained a temporary amp. And here is a fun fact for you, by the time Kenny got serious, he had already received several grievous wounds. Ichigo was fresh, yet was defeated in Kenny's one blow, and Kenny collapsed from blood loss. There is this thing called "context," which you clearly cannot grasp.
4. Considering most of his feats are at or above that level, nah. 🙂
And Kris Blaze, I like how Byakuya struggled against the 7th Espada, whereas Kenny killed Noitora in one blow when he got serious.
And it was a draw.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
And Kris Blaze, I like how Byakuya struggled against the 7th Espada, whereas Kenny killed Noitora in one blow when he got serious.And it was a draw.
Yeah, you've got like the guy who can control stuff by looking at it. And you've got the guy with 6 arms or so. You see, in that fight context matters.
Ichigo defeated Kenpachi, or they "stalemated" if you wanna call it that, and that's all there is to it. Kenpachi can't fight at all. Byakuya can just shred him with Shi kai.
Originally posted by Kris Blaze1. Never stopped you from ignoring context with your claim. 🙂
Yeah, you've got like the guy who can control stuff by looking at it. And you've got the guy with 6 arms or so. You see, in that fight context matters.Ichigo defeated Kenpachi, or they "stalemated" if you wanna call it that, and that's all there is to it. Kenpachi can't fight at all. Byakuya can just shred him with Shi kai.
2. Like here. Ichigo had a temp amp, Kenpachi only fought seriously(and was still using one hand) at the end after already receiving grievous wounds, and took down Ichigo with his one attack, Ichigo's final attack defeated Kenny.
To emphasize the fact that that was not normal Shikai Ichigo, we see that Bankai Ichigo cannot cut Noitora. Kenny, eyepatch on, cut Noitora.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/289/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/289/07/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/290/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/290/12/
Bankai Ichigo could not so much as dent his skin.
Granted, I do not think he was in top form, but still.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Never stopped you from ignoring context with your claim. 🙂2. Like here. Ichigo had a temp amp, Kenpachi only fought seriously(and was still using one hand) at the end after already receiving grievous wounds, and took down Ichigo with his one attack, Ichigo's final attack defeated Kenny.
To emphasize the fact that that was not normal Shikai Ichigo, we see that Bankai Ichigo cannot cut Noitora. Kenny, eyepatch on, cut Noitora.
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/289/06/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/289/07/http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/290/11/
http://www.onemanga.com/Bleach/290/12/Bankai Ichigo could not so much as dent his skin.
Granted, I do not think he was in top form, but still.
1 - Then you should've picked up on the irrelevance of comparing the two fights. Kenpachi would've been helpless against the Arrancar Byakuya fought.
2 - See, now you're alluding that Ichigo in his shi kai form against Kenpachi, might actually be stronger than Ichigo with ban kai. It's pretty reasonable to assume that Kenpachi's had an increase in strength since his encounter with Ichigo. It's what 100 chapters ago? and he fights non stop.
Regardless of how Kenpachi and Ichigo did against nnoitora it's pointless. Kenpachi most likely wouldn't touch Byakuya, nor would he survive many of his kidou.
Originally posted by ThunderGodEneru
1. Who had a temporary amp he never had again in the series.Kenpachi hits harder than Ichigo. Ichigo could not hurt Noitora, when Kenny got serious, he did so easily.
3. No, during the fight with Kenny, he gained a temporary amp. And here is a fun fact for you, by the time Kenny got serious, he had already received several grievous wounds. Ichigo was fresh, yet was defeated in Kenny's one blow, and Kenny collapsed from blood loss. There is this thing called "context," which you clearly cannot grasp.
4. Considering most of his feats are at or above that level, nah. 🙂
And Kris Blaze, I like how Byakuya struggled against the 7th Espada, whereas Kenny killed Noitora in one blow when he got serious.
And it was a draw.
That 'amp' was a permanent amp, not a temporary one. Which you would have realized had you read the dialogue in the fight properly.
Ichigo had just finished fighting Grimmjow, so, moot point. Also, Nel had nearly beaten Nnoitra prior to him fighting Kenpachi. So that may have had an effect.
Ichigo? Fresh? So you consider a person fresh after they have huge cuts and blood loss? Like you said, it was a draw. Stop contradicting yourself.
You're one of the finest hypocrites on the planet, you cannot grasp context, as shown by how you think Byakuya just struggled in the fight.
Kenpachi was serious long before he decided to use Kendo, get your facts straight.
The only 'feat' he had before engaging Tosen was his draw with Ichigo, and one other that's irrelevant.
@ Kris: It was a stalemate, neither beat the other. Also, saying Byakuya could shred Kenpachi with his shikai is stretching it, Byakuya needs at least his bankai to beat Kenpachi.
And yes, we're not even factoring in Kido here, we all know how effectively and strategically Byakuya can use them.