God Kratos vs Kain

I'm not getting into this debate but

"Kain could teleport out of TK"

If we're talking about telekinesis in the sense of, the power to move something by thinking about it without the application of physical force, then it is true in most cases that some one with TK can block someone elses' ability to teleport, unless the person who can teleport also has TK in which they can just cause a stale mate and both people are able to continue as normal.

This is why one TK vs another TK can not simply crush the others head with their power, because they would be able to counter it on a plane not visible to ourselves and speed would mean nothing.

tl;dr: a person with telekinesis should be able to mentally block another person from teleporting.

Telekinesis is simply creating physical force to hold a being, teleportation is a diffrent power alltogether, how do you propose you can block someone from pretty much disapearing into thin air with a physical grip? you cant....

There are different and higher levels of concentrated ESP, from psychokinesis onto lower grades in telekinesis and that is true.

Like those who can merely move objects and those with powers over others minds.

But depending on Kratos' level of TK (which btw umm I don't think he has) he'd be able to control the matter and mental ability for another to teleport, unless that person also had TK.

example: Professor Xavier can use his TK abilities to put a block on Nightcrawler using teleportation.

Teleporation also has different levels: the disassembling and reassembling of matter and particles to make the being go from one point to another. Which is easier to control with TK then the other, which is literally being able to rip through dimensions which the normal law of physics or even TK have no power over the teleporter in question.

Nightcrawler's teleporation is dimensional ripping, and Xavier TK blocks it.

But if Nightcrawler had TK himself he could just counter the block and be able to teleport as normal.

I didn't bring up the battle against Phoenix which I believe she blocks it too and that is with pure TK, unlike Xavier who has a stronger telepathy influence.

Any way those are just points and stuff. Idk about the match up, have fun. You are right though, normal telekinesis is simply being able to bring a physical manfestation from thought and apply it to objects.

Well that would all be determined by feats, if a character has only been shown to be able to use TK then we cannot assume he can use mind control or otherwise. TK is not power over others minds, thats a totally diffrent power altogether.

No kratos does not, ive played GOW 1 and 2 and from memory Kratos has no TK at all. Then again this is depending on how you teleport, Kain uses magic to teleport, how Nightcrawler does it may be in a more physical manner...

Yes but that block is a diffrent power altogether, he didnt use TK to issue that block, he would have used another mental power, which is seperate, for example Kain also has mind controlling, and charming powers.

Voy, I'm with BT, Proffessor X didn't use TP to block NightCrawler, he used Telepathy to get in his head and turn it off, imho.

Lol, socks disagreeing? We HAVE to be the same person.

But your argument was very well thought out, lol. But yeah, I'm not taking a side in this, just debating a point.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Voy, I'm with BT, Proffessor X didn't use TP to block NightCrawler, he used Telepathy to get in his head and turn it off, imho.

Lol, socks disagreeing? We HAVE to be the same person.

But your argument was very well thought out, lol. But yeah, I'm not taking a side in this, just debating a point.

Yeah, I totally agree that it is a higher form of telekinesis that of great telepathy, I see now. I knew that before saying it but didn't think it out before typing, I debunked myself in the earlier post.

I guess I mean to say that Tele(X) can block Tele(Y) in situations.

and yes, I know, we're just socks, stop arguing with your Tyler Durden and get gimped/raped by Sheik, gender confused Marth main =P

D:<

In any case, psionic powers are Win.

Telepathy and Telekinesis are not different levels of the same power, they are two different abilities, you're talking about grouping them in psychokinetic/psionic power class.

Someone with tk can't stop someone from teleporting, since teleporting is essentially traveling through another dimension and reappearing in our dimension at another point in space. You could stop someone from flying, because they are still in the physical plane, but you can't stop a porter. However, if you're skilled enough in tp, you could shut off the portion of the brain that controls their abilities, and stop them from porting like that.

And going by game feats, Kratos would take Kain, since Kain can only mist when he's trying to go through bars. Kratos has also shown to be stronger physically, even before he became a god, and a better combatant.

A few false claims and no real argument there, this is not a hand to hand battle so bringing up Kratos winning because he is much stronger physically doesnt help him.

Originally posted by Burning thought
That statement makes no sense at all, both Ares and Zeus are Gods and whats more popping heads is all based around strength, when people say someone is going to pop someone elses head, they mean splatter it, Kratos would never do this to Kain because he is too quick.

Good, you would have been foolish to try.

No hes not got the powers of Ares, hes the God of War, he has the title thats all, other than that he is a diffrent being until you can prove he has exactley the same powers. And yes you can teleport out of TK, its a physical hold using mental force, if the opponent teleports then he is no longer excisting in the mental bonds.

Those last 2 things he would never do to Kain, Kain is far too fast and can turn to mist on a whim, he would never be able to do such a thing, and thats if Kain is not using Repel shield. Kratos could stone Kain, if he was within range, fortunaltey Kain has so many ways of escpaing.

I like how you claim things as if Kain is just going to stand back and allow Kratos to do any of this, Kain could blood shower him from the start, or use soul powers, or freeze him in time, or teleport behind him then up onto his back for an easy slash and kill. Kratos being large is going to lose him this battle.

You said Kain could pop Kratos head[no proof], but Ares wanted Zeus dead, if he wanted him dead, he would have popped Zeus' head. Being "quick" has nonething to do with the fact he can pop is head from anywhere, did you even SEE the cutscene in God of War?

"Foolish" Funny, foolish shit you bring up.

Athena: "Do not forget that I have made you a God. "

Kratos reveived the throne of Ares, Gaia tells him how he became the God of War, don't tell me what he does and doesn't have. Prove Kain could pop his head.

Sadily, Kratos is going to be big, and we ALL know the range of that. Kratos, uses Poseidon's Rage or Hades' Souls.

Hyprocrite. Kratos pops his head, he won't be fast enough to do that, and he couldn't just "bloodshower" a deity like Elder God. Kratos being large, has larger attacks, he would just step on Kain. Oh, and he would be able to stop time. He could light Kain on fire, hell like I said, he pops his head, and no, Kain wouldn't be fast enough to react. I have saw blood shower[if i'm not mistaken]. Bloodshower, isn't fast as popping someone's head. Kratos lifts him up with his TK, he can't move, and he pops his head. And he also has "Godly Power" because he knocked down a building in 1 punch. And prove he could draw blood from someone as big as Kratos.

If Kratos didn't have the "powers" of Ares, he would just be a large mortal that could take more damage than a demi-god. Also, he was more powerful than Ares.

Originally posted by Burning thought
A few false claims and no real argument there, this is not a hand to hand battle so bringing up Kratos winning because he is much stronger physically doesnt help him.

He crushes the bug.

Originally posted by Gumachi
You said Kain could pop Kratos head[no proof], but Ares wanted Zeus dead, if he wanted him dead, he would have popped Zeus' head. Being "quick" has nonething to do with the fact he can pop is head from anywhere, did you even SEE the cutscene in God of War?

"Foolish" Funny, foolish shit you bring up.

Athena: "Do not forget that I have made you a God. "

Kratos reveived the throne of Ares, Gaia tells him how he became the God of War, don't tell me what he does and doesn't have. Prove Kain could pop his head.

Sadily, Kratos is going to be big, and we ALL know the range of that. Kratos, uses Poseidon's Rage or Hades' Souls.

Hyprocrite. Kratos pops his head, he won't be fast enough to do that, and he couldn't just "bloodshower" a deity like Elder God. Kratos being large, has larger attacks, he would just step on Kain. Oh, and he would be able to stop time. He could light Kain on fire, hell like I said, he pops his head, and no, Kain wouldn't be fast enough to react. I have saw blood shower[if i'm not mistaken]. Bloodshower, isn't fast as popping someone's head. Kratos lifts him up with his TK, he can't move, and he pops his head. And he also has "Godly Power" because he knocked down a building in 1 punch. And prove he could draw blood from someone as big as Kratos.

If Kratos didn't have the "powers" of Ares, he would just be a large mortal that could take more damage than a demi-god. Also, he was more powerful than Ares.

Yeh after Kain gains Kratos' powers and strength by drinking his blood, he will walk over to the dieing body and rip it in half. Ive seen all the cutscenes, although I certainly dont remember Kratos popping anyones head from range..show me....

Hot air

yeh, Kratos is now a God...so? that doesnt give him all of Ares powers.

Dont tell you what he doesnt have? obviously you are in error because theres no feat of him doing the same things as Ares, now admit youve been foolish and concede or admit your now just trolling and have no backing for claiming he has the same powers as Ares.

Once again, your listing things randomly, anyone can list powers...actually debate...

erm no, how was I a hypocrite? Blood shower and Kratos is doomed, end of story, one slash of the reaver and Kratos is doomed, one blast of incapcaite time bolt and Kratos is doomed, Kain is too fast for any of Kratos' powers.

No.....your confusing titles with actual power as always...simply having the title of God of War doesnt give you all of the older Gods powers, if you are claiming this, then back it up with proof.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Yeh after Kain gains Kratos' powers and strength by drinking his blood, he will walk over to the dieing body and rip it in half. Ive seen all the cutscenes, although I certainly dont remember Kratos popping anyones head from range..show me....

Hot air

yeh, Kratos is now a God...so? that doesnt give him all of Ares powers.

Dont tell you what he doesnt have? obviously you are in error because theres no feat of him doing the same things as Ares, now admit youve been foolish and concede or admit your now just trolling and have no backing for claiming he has the same powers as Ares.

Once again, your listing things randomly, anyone can list powers...actually debate...

erm no, how was I a hypocrite? Blood shower and Kratos is doomed, end of story, one slash of the reaver and Kratos is doomed, one blast of incapcaite time bolt and Kratos is doomed, Kain is too fast for any of Kratos' powers.

No.....your confusing titles with actual power as always...simply having the title of God of War doesnt give you all of the older Gods powers, if you are claiming this, then back it up with proof.

Didn't I say he was the eqvilent[sp?]of Ares? Hmmm, taking his powers? That would be cool.

"You don't have the powers of a God anymore. " "You do not have enough godly power. " "You no longer possess the powers of a god. "

He has the same powers of Ares. I didn't you see saying this in the God Kratos vs The Apprentice thread.

Since when was Hades' Souls random?

Half of the stuff I said in Dante vs Zeus thread, the things your saying[but you was disagreeing--something like that shit]He can't stop the range of Posidon's Rage, I can even show you a video. Prove one slash he's done, prove he could bloodshot someone as durable as Kratos, PROVE ONE SHOT OF TIME BOLT HE'S DONE. One shot of The Blade of Olympus, Kain is dead. Infact, he would just hold him with TK, and throw a spear at him[just like Ares throwed that pillar]. Even if Kain stops time, Kratos disables it with his amulet. Can he move while his bloodshower is done? If so, he teleports behind and steps on him. He could just hold him with Poseidon's Rage and step on him. Or use Zeus' Bolt against him. Or cuts him in half with Artemis Blade.

Like I said: If Kratos doesn't have the power of the God of War, he's simply a mortal who can turn large.

Originally posted by Gumachi
Didn't I say he was the eqvilent[sp?]of Ares? Hmmm, taking his powers? That would be cool.

"You don't have the powers of a God anymore. " "You do not have enough godly power. " "You no longer possess the powers of a god. "

He has the same powers of Ares. I didn't you see saying this in the God Kratos vs The Apprentice thread.

Since when was Hades' Souls random?

Half of the stuff I said in Dante vs Zeus thread, the things your saying[but you was disagreeing--something like that shit]He can't stop the range of Posidon's Rage, I can even show you a video. Prove one slash he's done, prove he could bloodshot someone as durable as Kratos, PROVE ONE SHOT OF TIME BOLT HE'S DONE. One shot of The Blade of Olympus, Kain is dead. Infact, he would just hold him with TK, and throw a spear at him[just like Ares throwed that pillar]. Even if Kain stops time, Kratos disables it with his amulet. Can he move while his bloodshower is done? If so, he teleports behind and steps on him. He could just hold him with Poseidon's Rage and step on him. Or use Zeus' Bolt against him. Or cuts him in half with Artemis Blade.

Like I said: If Kratos doesn't have the power of the God of War, he's simply a mortal who can turn large.

yeh his own powers....so?

hes never had the same powers as Ares, either back this up or ill report you for spamming the same thing over and over again.

No your action of listing powers may as well be random, its not useful.

because one slash is enough to take a soul, as Kain says. You would first have to prove durability is even a factor, thats like saying prove poseidons rage can harm vampires, its irrelvent. I dont have to prove timebolts effectiveness until I see kratos resisting time attacks, which hes not 🙂 disables it? wtf.....thats a ridiculous thing to say, first ive never seen his amulet disabling any time powers and furthermore, hows he going to disable anything if hes frozen/slowed anyway... Your just stating powers randomly....

Hes got his own power, he is the God of War, simple thing is, Ares is no longer the God of war, Ares powers as the God of war are irrelvent.

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh his own powers....so?

hes never had the same powers as Ares, either back this up or ill report you for spamming the same thing over and over again.

No your action of listing powers may as well be random, its not useful.

because one slash is enough to take a soul, as Kain says. You would first have to prove durability is even a factor, thats like saying prove poseidons rage can harm vampires, its irrelvent. I dont have to prove timebolts effectiveness until I see kratos resisting time attacks, which hes not 🙂 disables it? wtf.....thats a ridiculous thing to say, first ive never seen his amulet disabling any time powers and furthermore, hows he going to disable anything if hes frozen/slowed anyway... Your just stating powers randomly....

Hes got his own power, he is the God of War, simple thing is, Ares is no longer the God of war, Ares powers as the God of war are irrelvent.

"You no longer have the power of a God. "

Dumbfvck, how am I spamming? I could report you for trolling.

These powers were seen.

If Kain slows time, and Kratos stops time, BOTH time lines will get disabled, DUH. Lighting can harm Vampires, PROVE HE CAN BLOODSHOWER HIM, PROVE HE RIPS HIS SOUL OUT IN 1 SLASH, FANBOY. Kratos pops his head, end of story, Kain loses, Kratos wins.

No **** no.

that quote means nothing.....

your constantly stating things overand over without an argument behind it.

Kratos cannot slow or stop time. now your just spamming again.....

Funny, because Theseus said: "You do not have the powers of a God." Want a vid?

I am NOT, going to beg you to believe me. Kratos>Kain. Everyone has said it. And your the only one[?]defending Kain. You didn't say ANY of this in the God Kratos vs The Apprentice thread.

Funny, because in God of War II, he was slowing down time.

Theseus is falliable, furthermore, him saying that does not prove Kratos ever had Ares powers.....

Ime often the only one defending Kain, and ime usually the only one standing victorious at the end of the debate until any opposition merely become trolls, I can shut down anyone who tries to debate this topic.

Any of what? what would I have said? Apprentice kills kratos as quickly as he does Kain.

yeh when a special level specific item was in his area....those items are not in this matchup.

Kratos pops Apprentice head. Even TGE admitted he could kill Apprentice.

Who gives a damn? Excuses execues. "You do not have the power of a God. " which means he didn't have the power of Ares. You don't have the power of a God, it was I who made you a God, and the throne of Ares.

TGE cant debate thats why and likely only said Kratos could beat Apprentice because he is a fan of Kratos, Kratos would be blasted apart by the Apprentice lol....

No it doesnt mean that...not at all......it means exactley what it says it does, he did not have the power of a God.....