Sephiroth vs Link

You're making the mistake of using a PIS moment to take away Link's ocarina at the beginning of the game [A very important plot point in the game being regaining the ocarina.] to lower Link's considerable durability, a la end game, at the end Link survives the destruction of the moon. Also, Link did not sleep at any point during those three days, which he relived over and over, at the very least, he was tired. 😛 Keep in mind this is in his weakest incarnation.

If a force that small could actually KO Link without PIS Ganon would never lose.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Lord of the Rings>Star Wars>Everything else>Harry Potter>Twilight

You win.

star wars original trilogy easily win due to quotablty and resale value and memerable and original characters in contrast to folklory character models have been used forever archer, swordsman, wizard,ect.star wars ideas are derived from fresh unexpolered cultures and relativly unknown idealogy at the time and to create a whole mythlogy and a number of creative races, cultures, aliances. oh AND the use of plot twists was undeniably sucessful. lord of the rings lacks good 1vs1 battles fighting dozens of moderate threats is not as cool as 2 great fighters dueling and lord of the ring lacks good story movment just basicly straight almost no casualties of value. i can name more major characters that died in star wars than lord of the rings. no one of value to veiwers died to put the audeince behind the hero yoda,obi wan,luke's family,naboo's entire population.lord of the rings fans will say fairamere or whatever the guy from the 1st one that gets shot is valueble but it doesn't change much in relative terms to obi wan or naboo

Originally posted by handsdown
star wars original trilogy easily win due to quotablty and resale value and memerable and original characters in contrast to folklory character models have been used forever archer, swordsman, wizard,ect.star wars ideas are derived from fresh unexpolered cultures and relativly unknown idealogy at the time and to create a whole mythlogy and a number of creative races, cultures, aliances. oh AND the use of plot twists was undeniably sucessful. lord of the rings lacks good 1vs1 battles fighting dozens of moderate threats is not as cool as 2 great fighters dueling and lord of the ring lacks good story movment just basicly straight almost no casualties of value. i can name more major characters that died in star wars than lord of the rings. no one of value to veiwers died to put the audeince behind the hero yoda,obi wan,luke's family,naboo's entire population.lord of the rings fans will say fairamere or whatever the guy from the 1st one that gets shot is valueble but it doesn't change much in relative terms to obi wan or naboo

That's an unfair comparison. Science Fiction was relatively new at the time while we'd been able to write about medieval times for hundreds of years. However, I don't recall knowing anything of Hobbits, Immortal Elves, Rings of Power, or anything or anyone like Sauron or the conflict he presents before Lord of the Rings.

Things that Star Wars didn't come with anything like:
- The undead army that Aragorn commands because he wielded the sword of the true king of Gondor.
- Gollum / Smeagol
- The Kingdoms
- The history of Middle Earth and Sauron
- Ents, Trolls, The Balrog, other creatures
- The Eye of Sauron
- Orc and the other race.

Also, if I recall correctly, Lord of the Rings originated as a book series while Star Wars originated as movies which could be why it focuses more on dramatic effect than Lord of the Rings. But I don't know if Star Wars started as books or not.

I also like the plot of LotR better, the fate of the world resting on one person's shoulders while they have to trust in a foul creature that really only wants the ring Frodo must carry in the first place. Then you watch as Gollum plots against Frodo, Sam tries to expose him and Frodo ends up not believing him. Technically, the fate of the world isn't even resting on what everyone even considers a person, he's a Hobbit.

Look at me, debating LotR and Star Wars on a Sephiroth vs Link. There's no reason for this at all. XD

orcs,elves,dwarves,trolls,fellbeasts are basicly dragons and i know the book had dragons too but there all concepts taken from lore. for the history not that creative all the bad races joined under one banner one big baddy.all of the non human star wars races sprung from george lucas and the story is even more important it is battle for the univese is on the shoulders of a group not to different from the fellowship. han solo is the equal in spirit to aragorn a character that starts off a maveric that is tamed by woman the elf chick or leia what ever there are paralles the old wise man is gandalf to you yoda is mine and they both die but to aviod the permanace of death he is revived gadalf i mean the thing is i i'm alright with LOTR just you can't compare them cuz i tried to make a fantsey movie people would see a character and say that it looks similer to a DNDesc character and then i'm screwed. tolken did the best fantasy story ever peter jackson did well to protrait his work well. it is just out of the 2 i choose star wars for the quotes, characters, and the memories i respect the the longevitiy of both stories it is justa opinion i'm friends with a guy who loves LOTR he could have played one of the nerds from clerks 2 so i understand your opinion

lol sorry me 2

Originally posted by handsdown
orcs,elves,dwarves,trolls,fellbeasts are basicly dragons and i know the book had dragons too but there all concepts taken from lore. for the history not that creative all the bad races joined under one banner one big baddy.all of the non human star wars races sprung from george lucas and the story is even more important it is battle for the univese is on the shoulders of a group not to different from the fellowship. han solo is the equal in spirit to aragorn a character that starts off a maveric that is tamed by woman the elf chick or leia what ever there are paralles the old wise man is gandalf to you yoda is mine and they both die but to aviod the permanace of death he is revived gadalf i mean the thing is i i'm alright with LOTR just you can't compare them cuz i tried to make a fantsey movie people would see a character and say that it looks similer to a DNDesc character and then i'm screwed. tolken did the best fantasy story ever peter jackson did well to protrait his work well. it is just out of the 2 i choose star wars for the quotes, characters, and the memories i respect the the longevitiy of both stories it is justa opinion i'm friends with a guy who loves LOTR he could have played one of the nerds from clerks 2 so i understand your opinion

I tried to read that, but I passed out from hyperventilation.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You're making the mistake of using a PIS moment to take away Link's ocarina at the beginning of the game [A very important plot point in the game being regaining the ocarina.] to lower Link's considerable durability, a la end game, at the end Link survives the destruction of the moon. Also, Link did not sleep at any point during those three days, which he relived over and over, at the very least, he was tired. 😛 Keep in mind this is in his weakest incarnation.

If a force that small could actually KO Link without PIS Ganon would never lose.

So, what is the difference between that PIS moment and the other PIS moment where he lifts a huge granite pillar and throws it? And his PIS sword?

Obviously, Link didn't have any force hit his head in that moon explosion otherwise he would have been knocked out =)

He could have, there is nothing saying he didn't sleep for 3 days then reset the clock. Show me this is his weakest incarnation (in terms of head durability).

When has Ganon hit Links head\face?

Ganon's stronger than Link who's a 1000+ tonner, if Link was that easy to knock out a shot to his toe with that kind of power would kill him. 😐

Also, beginning of the game =/= end game.

Edit, one PIS moment that disagrees with everythign else in Zelda, IE, Link contending with Ganon, does not take precedence, imho.

xD How does it disagree with everything else in Zelda?

His head doesn't contend with Ganon, his body and sword does.

Edit: Even if we increased his head durability by five times, it wouldn't be enough.

His head durability...? Let me explain something. Ganon is so strong tat a blow from him sends Link flying. The forces exerted on his head, should Ganon say, tap his foot, would still exceed anything Sephiroth could apply to him. o_O

At what point has Ganon exerted force on Links head?

Any time Link gets hit, his body is sent flying, and his head with it. When he stops the momentum transfer from his head will exert many hundreds of G's on him. :/ Ganon could hit Link's leg and still exert more force on Link's head than Seph could generate with a direct hit.

What?

So, he gets hit and lands on his head?

How can being hit in the legs exert any force on a head?

Go grab a stick, swing it against a tree, and hit with the middle, does the end of the stick bend around the tree with the momentum from the swing, snap off, or otherwise display that it also had momentum? Yes? That's the same effect on a human body that gets thrown, or say, happens to be inside the moon when it breaks.

...Yes it has momentum...So you are saying that because Link was thrown, force acted on his head as if he had recieved a blow? That seems wierd unless he was thrown onto his head.

Yes, he can gain momentum if he gets hit in the legs, but nothing directly affects his head until it hits something (Like the ground).

That's false, any transfer of momentum, especially momentum carried from the force of attacks from someone like Ganondorf, or the destruction of a moon, causes stress on whatever it is transferred from. Imagine a ragdoll being thrown by it's legs, it's head whiplashes. Link's head is just as durable as the rest of him, one PIS moment doesnt change that.

What? I don't even see where this is going.

When had Link survived any kind of hit on his head? Directly or Indirectly. In canon.

/headdesk. I've been trying to explain basic physics to you. Do you know what a G meter is? They apply these to various parts of crash test dummies to measure the force applied to those places. Without ever actually striking someone's head you can apply immense force on their head, especially if you're Ganon and can throw thousand ton boulders with one arm. Any time he hits Link, anywhere, ever, at all, Link's head is under more force than Sephiroth could ever apply with any direct hit.

SHOWMEH

What I meant was, show me Link surviving being smacked by Ganon with more force then Sephiroth has shown.