Originally posted by KingD19All the heroes of that time era was a little rougher in their dealing with criminals before their characters were install with a code of conduct against killing or doing irrepairable damage. Is this what you mean by superman being evil? if not can you then post substantial proof to post what you mean?!
Well, during his first appearances, couldn't he barely lift a car? Spidey has been class 10-15 since he came out, I think he takes it. And did you know Superman was supposed to be evil when he was first created?
Originally posted by KingD19
Well, during his first appearances, couldn't he barely lift a car? Spidey has been class 10-15 since he came out, I think he takes it. And did you know Superman was supposed to be evil when he was first created?
I used to have the late 70s reissue of the 1938 Action Comics where Superman first appeared. He may have been much weaker than what he later evolved into but he was still bulletproof and could toss cars around easily. I'd say vs Spiderman it'd be a good matchup, I'll call it a draw.
And he was definitly NOT evil, and I HATE Superman.
Originally posted by lawest9
All the heroes of that time era was a little rougher in their dealing with criminals before their characters were install with a code of conduct against killing or doing irrepairable damage. Is this what you mean by superman being evil? if not can you then post substantial proof to post what you mean?!
a quick trip to wiki brings up this:
Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster first created a bald telepathic villain bent on dominating the entire world. He appeared in the short story "The Reign of the Super-Man" from Science Fiction #3, a science fiction fanzine that Siegel published in 1933.[12] Siegel re-wrote the character in 1933 as a hero, bearing little or no resemblance to his villainous namesake, modeling the hero on Douglas Fairbanks Sr. and his bespectacled alter ego, Clark Kent, on Harold Lloyd.[13][14] Siegel and Shuster then began a six-year quest to find a publisher. Titling it The Superman, Siegel and Shuster offered it to Consolidated Book Publishing, who had published a 48-page black-and-white comic book entitled Detective Dan: Secret Operative No. 48. Although the duo received an encouraging letter, Consolidated never again published comic books. Shuster took this to heart and burned all pages of the story, the cover surviving only because Siegel rescued it from the fire. Siegel and Shuster each compared this character to Slam Bradley, an adventurer the pair had created for Detective Comics #1 (May 1939).[15]
It's common knowledge, but the "villanous" version of superman had nothing in common with the current version outside of his name. It's not really relevant at all. There's a scan in the wiki article as well, if you're really, really bored and need convincing.
it was a character called: "uber minch", he was a german super soldier like the red skull.
and spider-man would have trouble with o.g. superman since he was like rhino but with actual intelligence and speed.
spider-man is most likely stronger and more skilled, plus the webbing and spider-sense, and the ability to cling to surfaces. but superman does have that speed advantage.
spider-man 5-6/10.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
it was a character called: "uber minch", he was a german super soldier like the red skull.and spider-man would have trouble with o.g. superman since he was like rhino but with actual intelligence and speed.
spider-man is most likely stronger and more skilled, plus the webbing and spider-sense, and the ability to cling to surfaces. but superman does have that speed advantage.
spider-man 5-6/10.
I don't know if I'd give OG superman the speed advantage. Both are "faster than a speeding bullet". (spiderman has dodged, caught, AND outrun them...) In a footrace superman likely has better stamina but we're talking a fight.
Spiderman's reflexes are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay better, since he's precognitive thanks to spider sense, I'm pretty sure class 10-15 is stronger than OG superman, and that webbing would likely cause superman some pretty big problems. each strand is stronger than a steel cable and really, really sticky.
Supes' durability is higher, but spiderman has handled bulletproof foes before. (tombstone, lizard, etc)
spiderman 8/10 here.
Originally posted by Space M ummyhe's faster than a speeding bullet, and also able to move in a non-linear motion... and reach out and grab things. 😐 he's like quicksilver but with about 10 ton strength and being bulletproof.
I don't know if I'd give OG superman the speed advantage. Both are "faster than a speeding bullet". (spiderman has dodged, caught, AND outrun them...) In a footrace superman likely has better stamina but we're talking a fight.
i still give spider-man the win but it's closer than 8 out of ten due to superman's speed.
Originally posted by Space M ummy
I don't know if I'd give OG superman the speed advantage. Both are "faster than a speeding bullet". (spiderman has outrun them...)
Holy shit. Spiderman's actually outrun a bullet? 😐
I remember having a Spiderman trading card when I was in elementary school. It said 8 tons on the back as Spidey's strength limit. But hey, I don't read Spiderman and he's probably been upgraded since...
Originally posted by EnyalusActually he was upgrade to the 20-25 ton level not too long ago, and then he was recently dropped back dowm to his original ten ton level, Marvel is so full of it!
Holy shit. Spiderman's actually outrun a bullet? 😐I remember having a Spiderman trading card when I was in elementary school. It said 8 tons on the back as Spidey's strength limit. But hey, I don't read Spiderman and he's probably been upgraded since...
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How far back are we talking?Able to leap entire buildings (Sky Scrapers etc.) in a single bound, faster than a speeding bullet, stronger than entire locomotives etc. powerful.
At that level I can see him winning. You need more than 10 ton strength to over power speeding locomotives.
That quotation is from the Superman radio show- just like his weakness to Kryptonite.
It was never mentioned in Action Comics, and doesn't apply to first issue Superman.
And it's not a particularly accurate gauge even if it was.