Originally posted by Deano
IllusionAs Bill Hicks said' There is no future, there is only this moment'
Close thread now please
But is this moment the same moment as the one you were talking about? Also, if you send a guy out on a space ship at near the speed of light for 20 years here on Earth. When he returns he will be younger then a person how stayed behind. How can this moment, that is the same moment at all times, have good clocks that do not agree with each other? 😉
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is why the two are not interchangeable. It's like time is really two different things that we "flatlanders" can only perceive as one. However, the wavefunction of time would have to fall outside of our "light cone", otherwise we would "observe it", and you know what happens then.
actually, and I tried to point this out way before in this thread, but our perception of time is much different than any "real" or physical spacetime.
while time perception is complex, it is currently assumed that time is represented as a sequence of neurological activity. this is the "time" we percieve. we literally have no sensory systems that might access the time we are talking about in this thread
Originally posted by inimalist
actually, and I tried to point this out way before in this thread, but our perception of time is much different than any "real" or physical spacetime.while time perception is complex, it is currently assumed that time is represented as a sequence of neurological activity. this is the "time" we percieve. we literally have no sensory systems that might access the time we are talking about in this thread
Ya, it is all in our head.
For a long time (no pun intended) I believed that time did not exist, because of this problem. However, I've learned more about entropy sense then, and now I have concluded that the comparison of good clocks has something real to it. Perhaps it is a waveform that we cannot observe.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But is this moment the same moment as the one you were talking about? Also, if you send a guy out on a space ship at near the speed of light for 20 years here on Earth. When he returns he will be younger then a person how stayed behind. How can this moment, that is the same moment at all times, have good clocks that do not agree with each other? 😉
we cant interact with the past. the past is just a thought in your head that you experience in the present
Originally posted by Deano
we cant interact with the past. the past is just a thought in your head that you experience in the present
I understand, but the present is no more real, or unreal then the past or future.
Entropy is the arrow of time, and entropy has nothing to do with the past, present or future.
Imagine you are walking down the sidewalk, and you come upon a broken egg. By just looking at the seen, you can tell something about the past, and the future. You know that at some point in the past there was an egg that was not broken. You also know that the broken egg will not last. The reason you know these things is because broken eggs come from unbroken eggs, and you would not expect to see the broken egg there tomorrow, or next week, or a year from now. You don’t know how the egg got broken or what will happen to it in the future, but without doing anything other then looking at the seen, you have determined the direction of time. You know there was a past, and a future.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I understand, but the present is no more real, or unreal then the past or future.Entropy is the arrow of time, and entropy has nothing to do with the past, present or future.
Imagine you are walking down the sidewalk, and you come upon a broken egg. By just looking at the seen, you can tell something about the past, and the future. You know that at some point in the past there was an egg that was not broken. You also know that the broken egg will not last. The reason you know these things is because broken eggs come from unbroken eggs, and you would not expect to see the broken egg there tomorrow, or next week, or a year from now. You don’t know how the egg got broken or what will happen to it in the future, but without doing anything other then looking at the seen, you have determined the direction of time. You know there was a past, and a future.
Yes but whatever happened to the egg happened in the present. whatever will happen to the egg will still happen in the present. The idea of past and future is in our heads. Its merely a thought therefore illusion.
Believe me i understand what you are saying. This topic can get confusing!
Originally posted by Deano
Yes but whatever happened to the egg happened in the present. whatever will happen to the egg will still happen in the present. The idea of past and future is in our heads. Its merely a thought therefore illusion.Believe me i understand what you are saying. This topic can get confusing!
However, there is a big difference between the present when the egg was broken and the present now. The total amount of entropy in the universe is higher now (this present) then in the past (the lower entropy present). Entropy will continue to rise, and there will be less usable energy in the universe in the future. If the entropy in the universe was at equilibrium, then what you are saying would be true, but it is not. I used to believe as you do, but I have seen the error of my ways.