Celestials vs Abraxas

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
And what makes you think that? When it's stated that the dreaming celestial was the strongest of them?

Tiamut may be the strongest of the 2nd host, but he is not stated to be the strongest Celestial. Scathan is also from an alternate future, so even if Tiamaut were said to be the strongest Celestia, which to my knowledge isn't the case, that would not show he is stronger than Scathan, who is not around so there can be no comparison.

Originally posted by Galan007

This statement was regarding Abraxas acquiring the UN.

Abraxas is the embodiment of destruction, not the UN.

Also, Abraxas never intended on ever using the UN,
and didn't need to either to forfill his conceptual purpose. (collapse Creation/Existence)

On top of this,
Roma wasn't aware of Abraxas' plans until it was too late,
which was in the second to last issue of the arc,
while that scan is from the first issue.

Originally posted by Mindset
Because none of the Celestials have shown the power that Scathan displayed.

Tiamut may be the strongest of the 2nd host, but he is not stated to be the strongest Celestial. Scathan is also from an alternate future, so even if Tiamaut were said to be the strongest Celestia, which to my knowledge isn't the case, that would not show he is stronger than Scathan, who is not around so there can be no comparison.

Scathan's job was to Approve wether or not an event could happen that's why he displayed such power. The other ones don't have that job so they've never shown power like that. Thats just my interpretation though so maybe I'm just wayyyyy off. :😖hrugs::

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Scathan's job was to Approve wether or not an event could happen that's why he displayed such power. The other ones don't have that job so they've never shown power like that. Thats just my interpretation though so maybe I'm just wayyyyy off. :😖hrugs::

Celestials have been involved in fights, they simply have not shown the power Scathan has.

Originally posted by Mr Master
I respectfully disagree.

Why don't people disrespectfully agree?

Your a dick.....but your right!

Originally posted by Mindset
Tiamut fought and was beaten by I think 3-4 other Celestials, two Celestials tried to fight Thanos w/ the IG and were beaten.

Celestials have been involved in fights, they simply have not shown the power Scathan has.

Touche.

Originally posted by -K-M-

Why don't people disrespectfully agree?

Originally posted by -K-M-

Your a dick.....but your right!

Originally posted by Mindset
Because none of the Celestials have shown the power that Scathan displayed.

Tiamut may be the strongest of the 2nd host, but he is not stated to be the strongest Celestial. Scathan is also from an alternate future, so even if Tiamaut were said to be the strongest Celestia, which to my knowledge isn't the case, that would not show he is stronger than Scathan, who is not around so there can be no comparison.

Tiamut is the greatest Celestial

Originally posted by Mindset
Tiamut fought and was beaten by I think 3-4 other Celestials, two Celestials tried to fight Thanos w/ the IG and were beaten.

Celestials have been involved in fights, they simply have not shown the power Scathan has.

2nd Celestial Host could only contain Tiamut

Celestials cannot be destroyed according to the new series

Tiamut was goin to set back time and space(almost 14 billion years) by singing the Death Song

Originally posted by guy222
Tiamut is the greatest Celestial

Also, how was the greatest Celestial beaten by a handful of other Celestials? Were those Celestials collectively greater than the entire 4th host, which Exitar is stronger than?

Originally posted by guy222
2nd Celestial Host could only contain Tiamut

Celestials cannot be destroyed according to the new series

Tiamut was goin to set back time and space(almost 14 billion years) by singing the Death Song

Wasn't the time manipulation limited to only Earth?

Basically what it boils down to is do you think Tiamut is stronger than Scathan, nothing else really matters.

Originally posted by Mindset
Maybe of the current Celestials.

Also, how was the greatest Celestial beaten by a handful of other Celestials? Were those Celestials collectively greater than the entire 4th host, which Exitar is stronger than?

I have the scan on Photobucket. And they are doin maintenance. I will post it soon

According to Tiamut, Arishem and the others were jealous

Exitar also had the power to exterminate the entire Watcher race

Gaiman's run which was incredible

Tiamut

"Most Powerful"...."Made Stars and Worlds"

"Most Dangerous Thing in the World"

Originally posted by Mindset
Tiamut would only be able to contain a Celestial as well, I don't see what that has to do with him being beaten though.

Wasn't the time manipulation limited to only Earth?

Basically what it boils down to is do you think Tiamut is stronger than Scathan, nothing else really matters.

Tiamut was easily defeating Arishem. They contained him. He was asleep for over 500,000 years

Scathan is the most powerful Celestial(Earth-691)

Tiamut is the greatest Celestial(Earth-616)

Originally posted by Mr Master
On top of this,
Roma wasn't aware of Abraxas' plans until it was too late,
which was in the second to last issue of the arc,
while that scan is from the first issue.

Also, Reed was aware of what Abraxas could do with the UN in the first issue (#46) - so he was certainly on to any potential plan Abraxas had with it:

Surely Roma (teh omniversal powa!!) would have been as well?

Actually, please don't answer that. A pages-spanning 'debate' isn't something I feel like dealing with.

Celestials ftw. 🙂

Originally posted by Galan007
You may want to recheck that. Not counting the prelude annual, the scan you posted is from the second overall issue of the arc (#47,) not the first issue. Anyhow, that whole issue pertained to the search for the UN. Meh.

Also, Reed was aware of what Abraxas could do with the UN in the first issue (#46) - so he was certainly on to any potential plan Abraxas had with it:

Surely Roma (teh omniversal powa!!) would have been as well?

Actually, please don't answer that. A pages-spanning 'debate' isn't something I feel like dealing with.

Celestials ftw. 🙂

That's what I get from it.

Originally posted by Mindset
The scan could be saying is that the only way they could stop him would be to use the UN, not that Abraxas would be using it.

That's what I get from it.

Originally posted by guy222
Tiamut

"Most Powerful"...."Made Stars and Worlds"

Tiamut certainly thinks highly of himself doesn't he?

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Originally posted by Galan007
No it doesn't... Did you read the scan? It specifically talks about what Abraxas could do with the UN. I don't know how you gathered anything alse from it. 😕

Shut up

Originally posted by guy222
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