I'd love to see Kobe repeat but LeBron has better stats and his team has a better record, case closed.
Wade is doing what Kobe did when he had Smush and Kwame in the starting line up with him, he didnt win MVP then and neither should Wade this year. I dont agree with that criteria by the way, but if you set the precedent you have a adhere to it every year.
Originally posted by koolruningz
I'd love to see Kobe repeat but LeBron has better stats and his team has a better record, case closed.
Wade is doing what Kobe did when he had Smush and Kwame in the starting line up with him, he didnt win MVP then and neither should Wade this year. I dont agree with that criteria by the way, but if you set the precedent you have a adhere to it every year.
But they don't adhere to it every year, because if that was the case then Chris Paul would have won MVP since Steve Nash won. Therefore, Wade should be the MVP.
Originally posted by koolruningz
Im pretty sure you would have voted for Wade last year to man, so i'll take that with a pinch of salt.
I agree they should adhere to how the MVP's have been chosen every year, but the fact is they don't. If they did, Chris Paul would have won. So to say that Dwyane Wade shouldn't win because the of years past is not a valid point because it hasn't affected the League's decision in the past, so it probably won't now.
My point was that the criteria has always taken in to account the teams record, thats why when Kobe was scoring at will they said that he didnt win enough games. Wade is the same this year, he has played as well as any player in the league but his teams record is barely over 500. Who was the last player to win MVP with a record like that? I dont agree with it either but thats what it comes down to nowadays.
Chris Paul could have won it last season but his team had the 2nd best record in the west, Nash when he won it had a great team record, same with Dirk. Team record has always been a factor, right or wrong.
Originally posted by koolruningz
My point was that the criteria has always taken in to account the teams record, thats why when Kobe was scoring at will they said that he didnt win enough games. Wade is the same this year, he has played as well as any player in the league but his teams record is barely over 500. Who was the last player to win MVP with a record like that? I dont agree with it either but thats what it comes down to nowadays.
Chris Paul could have won it last season but his team had the 2nd best record in the west, Nash when he won it had a great team record, same with Dirk. Team record has always been a factor, right or wrong.
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Originally posted by koolruningz
My point was that the criteria has always taken in to account the teams record, thats why when Kobe was scoring at will they said that he didnt win enough games. Wade is the same this year, he has played as well as any player in the league but his teams record is barely over 500. Who was the last player to win MVP with a record like that? I dont agree with it either but thats what it comes down to nowadays.
Chris Paul could have won it last season but his team had the 2nd best record in the west, Nash when he won it had a great team record, same with Dirk. Team record has always been a factor, right or wrong.
I thought you meant that Wade shouldn't win it only because Kobe didn't win it with the same type season, not because Lebron's team has a better record.
What is interesting si that Wade is shooting slightly better than Kobe did that year .49 as opposed to .45. Not to mention he is putting in about three more assists and rebounds than Kobe did.
What is strange to me is that people are acting like Wade is having a better year by a country mile. The only area he compltely beats James in is steals with 2.25 to James 1.74. James his him in rebounding, and he commits less turnovers and personal fouls.
When you combine that with the Cavs superior record the 1.4 point lead Wade has over James in PPG doesn't stretch that far.
Originally posted by Warmonger
What is interesting si that Wade is shooting slightly better than Kobe did that year .49 as opposed to .45. Not to mention he is putting in about three more assists and rebounds than Kobe did.What is strange to me is that people are acting like Wade is having a better year by a country mile. The only area he compltely beats James in is steals with 2.25 to James 1.74. James his him in rebounding, and he commits less turnovers and personal fouls.
When you combine that with the Cavs superior record the 1.4 point lead Wade has over James in PPG doesn't stretch that far.
The thing is though, I like LeBron , but Kobe obviously much more, what it will come down to is can the Cavs win the title this year??
Lebron will most likely be MVP(BUT I HOPE KOBE GETS IT INSTEAD), I think we all remember when Dirk won his MVP, the Mavs were out after the first round.. I am not saying that will happen to the Cavs, but is winning the MVP for the regular season that important as opposed to winning the MVP in the NBA Finals????
Originally posted by Warmonger
What is interesting si that Wade is shooting slightly better than Kobe did that year .49 as opposed to .45. Not to mention he is putting in about three more assists and rebounds than Kobe did.
And 5 less points.
I dont mind LeBron winning the MVP he deserves it, as long as Kobe gets the finals MVP i'll be very happy.
Originally posted by koolruningz
My point was that the criteria has always taken in to account the teams record, thats why when Kobe was scoring at will they said that he didnt win enough games. Wade is the same this year, he has played as well as any player in the league but his teams record is barely over 500. Who was the last player to win MVP with a record like that? I dont agree with it either but thats what it comes down to nowadays.
Chris Paul could have won it last season but his team had the 2nd best record in the west, Nash when he won it had a great team record, same with Dirk. Team record has always been a factor, right or wrong
Couldn't have said it better myself.
Moreover, no one in this race is not deserving of the title. Whom ever wins it will be worthy of it.
The thing with dirk wasn't so much that he lost, but got a brutal first round beatdown.
I mean who was reallya better choice at the time. No one knew he was going to get stomped on. Besides MVP is a regular season award you don't have to win it all to get it.
As for winning it all, I don't know. Considering our previous matchups with L.A I don't like our chances. If LA keeps the ball moving and goes inside to Pau then its going to be a touch series. If Kobe wants to play superman and shoot his team right out of the game then our chances are much better.
Originally posted by Warmonger
What is interesting si that Wade is shooting slightly better than Kobe did that year .49 as opposed to .45. Not to mention he is putting in about three more assists and rebounds than Kobe did.What is strange to me is that people are acting like Wade is having a better year by a country mile. The only area he compltely beats James in is steals with 2.25 to James 1.74. James his him in rebounding, and he commits less turnovers and personal fouls.
When you combine that with the Cavs superior record the 1.4 point lead Wade has over James in PPG doesn't stretch that far.
I don't watch the Cavs much(even though it's either them or the Lakers on national TV every other night) but Lebron plays Forward a lot of the game, so he should be getting more rebounds since he will be in position to do so more than he would if he played a guard, and he doesn't handle the ball as much as Wade, so he should have less turnovers than Wade.
With that said, the Cavs record will get Lebron the MVP, no matter how close or far away the stats may be.
How is it Dwight Howard is not in the conversation more?
15th in scoring (1st in shooting % among the top 32 scorers, 3rd in the league)
1st in rebounding (by a much larger margin than wade is in scoring, no one is even close)
1st in blocks (only one even close to averaging 3 a game)
He may not have those 50 point games but damn...
21 points, 23 rebounds (7 offensive), 5 assists, 4 blocks, 3 steals (tonights numbers)
Guys a monster, and his team would be absolutely awful with out him. Far worse than the Cavs or Lakers would be without Kobe or Lebron.
Originally posted by forumcrew
How is it Dwight Howard is not in the conversation more?15th in scoring (1st in shooting % among the top 32 scorers, 3rd in the league)
1st in rebounding (by a much larger margin than wade is in scoring, no one is even close)
1st in blocks (only one even close to averaging 3 a game)
He may not have those 50 point games but damn...
21 points, 23 rebounds (7 offensive), 5 assists, 4 blocks, 3 steals (tonights numbers)
Guys a monster, and his team would be absolutely awful with out him. Far worse than the Cavs or Lakers would be without Kobe or Lebron.
Awful? Far worse?
Really, you can make the same case for the Cavs, if you're gonna say that.
Lakers, I can agree with that. The Lakers have more depth than either of the other two mentioned.
Compared to a season without Dwight, sure, but overall, depends on what you call awful.
They have Lewis and Nelson who both are at all-star level. Turk is so clutch. Lee is getting better and has a lot of potential. Their bench, while shallow, is decent.
If the Magic had a season with some mediocre or just a decent center at starter (Gortat or someone else with Gortat starting or at back), they'd still be a good team.
Without Dwight, they certainly wouldn't be in the spot they are now. Either squandering just below the playoff spots (like the Bucks) or at best getting the number 5-6 spot, which is still pretty good.
And why he's not in the serious contention...
Originally posted by geshien
Also, CP3 and Dwight are both amazing, but to the mass, it's about 40+ points and team records.
And Dwight is having such an amazing year. Breaking records left and right. It's a shame.