Originally posted by KingD19
True it fluctuates thanks to his godly powers and writing, but he's always starting class 70. And I think when they made him the god of war, it wasn't, the tactical god of war, it was the, I'm gonna whoop your ass until you give up, die, or I get tired and go home, god of war. The DC Ares is much more meticulous.
Hmm maybe, but Bendis just had Norman praising Ares tactical skills in the last issue of Dark Avengers IRRC but he still writes him as an oaf.
Originally posted by KingD19
Well praising his skills, and showing them are two different things my friend. I could say Marvel Ares is a military/tactical genius, but until he does something other than rush head first into battle, ready to bash someones face in, then he's just making me a liar.
That's kind of my point. I was agreeing 😛
Was just wondering whether Bendis did that intentionally or not.
Originally posted by KingD19
And it was Tanaraq's true body, it just wasn't Tanaraq's consciousness, the point I was making is that even a Class 70 can take on a class 100, like when Ares fought Hercules. I bet you current Sasquatch(Class 70-75), can't touch Colossus.
Ummmm...no. Tanaraq's true body as we have seen is HUNDREDS of feet tall, they assumed it was his true body but it wasn't. They even assumed they killed Tanaraq, but they didn't. Walter has always been listed as class 70-75 in the handbooks and has never been listed class 100 and you would be wrong.
Originally posted by KingD19
So a class 75 Sasquatch picked up a 250 ton DC-10 and tossed it?And all the great beasts have the ability to change their height, which is why when the Great Beasts were seen, they were at differing heights, which is also why Tanaraq in Exiles in only about 8-9 feet tall.
Correct, officially Walter is merely class 70 when he did that feat. Don't use handbooks stats as facts
Once again no, basically every time we see the Beasts on Earth its avatars they have created of themselves and not the real version which remain in the Realm of the Beasts. The Great Beasts use Walter as a gateway, he isn't Tanaraq's true body but an avatar for him. When Walter died all that happened was Tanaraq's avatar dying, but the real Tanaraq remained in the Realm of the Beasts. Exact same thing happened with Tundra in Alpha FLight #1, and his avatar died as well but the real Tundra remained in the realm of the beasts. They even directly reference that what they fought was not the real Tundra.
I'm not using handbook stats, I'm saying that he was in Tanaraq's body, whether it was merely an avatar or not, it still had sufficient strength to lob a 250 ton plane with no effort, which meant it was far past the 70 ton mark.
And there is no way to truly kill a Great Beast, their body could simply rematerialize in their own realm.
Originally posted by Starscream M
so it was PIS then
What? Seriously stop talking
Originally posted by KingD19
I'm not using handbook stats, I'm saying that he was in Tanaraq's body, whether it was merely an avatar or not, it still had sufficient strength to lob a 250 ton plane with no effort, which meant it was far past the 70 ton mark.And there is no way to truly kill a Great Beast, their body could simply rematerialize in their own realm.
More a general comment to people who were using handbook stats in this thread. It was definetly used as an avatar, he even did the same thing to Snowbird too.
Except for it has been stated directly the beasts that have appared on the Earth are AVATARS and not the true form of the beasts. It was stated multiple times the were not the real Beasts
Originally posted by KingD19
Are you talking about how Snowbird was afraid to use Tanaraq's form because his consciousness might take her over? And then it eventually did, or got very close.
Yes, as noted Tanaraq used her as an avatar just like what happened to Walter. Both of the bodies were destroyed, while the real Tanaraq sat in the Realm of the Beasts. Even the other Beasts that were summoned by Pestilence were later to be stated just to be avatars and not the real Beasts either.
Originally posted by Starscream M
don't be so dismisive Mungi. if a class 70 character lifts over 250 tons, that's PIS in my book.
Ummm...no, handbooks do not outweigh the actual comics. Also as shown with many cases the handbooks don't match up with what happens in the comics and often have inaccuracies.
So once again you show you don't know what your talking about 😬
You're right, so I concede that part of my argument, but unless Ares' weapons are the ones made of Adamantine, and forged by Hephaestus, he doesn't stand a chance.
But I am keeping to saying that Walter, being an avatar of Tanaraq, gave him strength far above class 70, whether it was his true body or not.