The Miracle Machine, which is so powerful Brainiac freaking 5 is terrified to even look at it, dozens of Green Lanterns, 50 Supermen (some of them with powers infinitely beyond "standard" Supes- like Allen Adams- oh, and one of them is clearly a 5d IMP), and the freaking Judge of All Evil, who, apparently, has "No limit to what he can do." The series makes it excruciatingly clear- Mandrakk was destroyed by the natural defenses of the multiverse which are "beyond anything you can imagine."
If you want to read subtext, Mandrakk was destroyed by the freaking idea of stories- if you took Superman: Beyond literally, it took every story in the history of time to defeat Mandrakk.
Stop saying "Supermen and Green Lanterns." If thats your opinion as to how Final Criss was resolved, you dramatically missed the point of the story; or, to be fair, maybe you just saw scans.
Oh yeah, and the Zoo Crew. THE ZOO CREW, people.
Originally posted by tjcoady
The Miracle Machine, which is so powerful Brainiac freaking 5 is terrified to even look at it, dozens of Green Lanterns, 50 Supermen (some of them with powers infinitely beyond "standard" Supes- like Allen Adams- oh, and one of them is clearly a 5d IMP), and the freaking Judge of All Evil, who, apparently, has "No limit to what he can do." The series makes it excruciatingly clear- Mandrakk was destroyed by the natural defenses of the multiverse which are "beyond anything you can imagine."If you want to read subtext, Mandrakk was destroyed by the freaking idea of stories- if you took Superman: Beyond literally, it took every story in the history of time to defeat Mandrakk.
Stop saying "Supermen and Green Lanterns." If thats your opinion as to how Final Criss was resolved, you dramatically missed the point of the story; or, to be fair, maybe you just saw scans.
Oh yeah, and the Zoo Crew. THE ZOO CREW, people.
Bout time somebody else got it. 馃憜
Originally posted by tjcoady
Quick off-topic thing. Noticed your sig, Guy. Is the current Ghost Rider series worth checking out? I keep hearing great things, but Ghost Rider has just never been a character I'm that into.
Its different. The new writers haven't followed the history regarding Ketch. A new tale. Art is bad. IMO, the series has picked up with the introduction of Zadkiel
Originally posted by TricksterPriest
Bout time somebody else got it. 馃憜
To be honest, I was originally planning on never posting in a thread involving Cosmic-Armor Conceptual Superman or Mandrakk, just because of how much the "Supermen and Green Lantern" thing bothered me the first time about a dozen threads with Mandrakk popped up right after Superman: Beyond 2.
Originally posted by tjcoadyExcellent. 馃憜
The Miracle Machine, which is so powerful Brainiac freaking 5 is terrified to even look at it, dozens of Green Lanterns, 50 Supermen (some of them with powers infinitely beyond "standard" Supes- like Allen Adams- oh, and one of them is clearly a 5d IMP), and the freaking Judge of All Evil, who, apparently, has "No limit to what he can do." The series makes it excruciatingly clear- Mandrakk was destroyed by the natural defenses of the multiverse which are "beyond anything you can imagine."If you want to read subtext, Mandrakk was destroyed by the freaking idea of stories- if you took Superman: Beyond literally, it took every story in the history of time to defeat Mandrakk.
Stop saying "Supermen and Green Lanterns." If thats your opinion as to how Final Criss was resolved, you dramatically missed the point of the story; or, to be fair, maybe you just saw scans.
Regarding the team (the Supermen in particular), Nix also said:
"A team of solar-powered heroes so awesome it can only be assembled once, against the absolute enemy."
Like you said, if one actually looks at the context behind what transpired, it's pretty clear that an uber chain of events was responsible for overcoming Mandrakk - not just a few lowly GL's/Supermen.
Originally posted by EnyalusI take it you're not a Captain Carrot reader, eh? 馃槢
I was wonder who the Pig Man and the Green Duck were...
The pig man = Wondrous Warthog, and the green duck = Rubberduck.
Originally posted by tjcoady
The Miracle Machine, which is so powerful Brainiac freaking 5 is terrified to even look at it, dozens of Green Lanterns, 50 Supermen (some of them with powers infinitely beyond "standard" Supes- like Allen Adams- oh, and one of them is clearly a 5d IMP), and the freaking Judge of All Evil, who, apparently, has "No limit to what he can do." The series makes it excruciatingly clear- Mandrakk was destroyed by the natural defenses of the multiverse which are "beyond anything you can imagine."If you want to read subtext, Mandrakk was destroyed by the freaking idea of stories- if you took Superman: Beyond literally, it took every story in the history of time to defeat Mandrakk.
Stop saying "Supermen and Green Lanterns." If thats your opinion as to how Final Criss was resolved, you dramatically missed the point of the story; or, to be fair, maybe you just saw scans.
Oh yeah, and the Zoo Crew. THE ZOO CREW, people.
Shut up.
Depleted lantern rings > Mandrakk.
Originally posted by Galan007
Which is why Mandrakk's 'loss' is PIS the the nth degree imo. Unless you believe the Supermen + GL's > Spectre/Radiant as well. ermm
It's PIS for Mandrakk but not for Spectre and Radiant?
Originally posted by tjcoady
The Miracle Machine, which is so powerful Brainiac freaking 5 is terrified to even look at it, dozens of Green Lanterns, 50 Supermen (some of them with powers infinitely beyond "standard" Supes- like Allen Adams- oh, and one of them is clearly a 5d IMP), and the freaking Judge of All Evil, who, apparently, has "No limit to what he can do." The series makes it excruciatingly clear- Mandrakk was destroyed by the natural defenses of the multiverse which are "beyond anything you can imagine."
Wait. Which of them are IMP status? The Dr. Manhattan Superman?
You know what, the natural defenses of the multiverse ended up standing about while Supermen and Green Lantern (a handful of the assembled "natural defenses''馃槈 killed him.
The Judge of Evil brought a host of the multiverse defenses and that's it. Of all, only a handful killed him. The Judge didn't do a thing to Mandrakk.
If you want to read subtext, Mandrakk was destroyed by the freaking idea of stories- if you took Superman: Beyond literally, it took every story in the history of time to defeat Mandrakk.Stop saying "Supermen and Green Lanterns." If thats your opinion as to how Final Criss was resolved, you dramatically missed the point of the story; or, to be fair, maybe you just saw scans.
Why stop saying that when that's who killed him?
The natural defenses brought the host of Supermen to battle Mandrakk and provided Superman the means of defeating Mandrakk the first time around. Already weakened, Mandrakk beats Radiant and Spectre off panel. Supes uses the MM make his wish for a happy ending (which is vague as #$$%), bringing Nix Uotan who then brought the host of heroes and angels. Nix brought them their. They stood around. Supermen attacked him, GLs staked him. He died and that was it. Jeez. The subtext pointed to the Multiverse winning and will always win as it has defenses in place. That's the subtext. It doesn't change the fact that Mandrakk got stomped by Supermen and GLs. You don't dismiss Spectre and Radiant's loss to Mandrakk but you'll try to say Nix and the Zoo Crew did anything worth damn.
Excellent. thumb upRegarding the team (the Supermen in particular), Nix also said:
"A team of solar-powered heroes so awesome it can only be assembled once, against the absolute enemy."
Yeah for Nix pointing out how "awesome" it was to have the Supermen of the multiverse show up, with only half of them doing anything. It's "cool" that they showed up, but half of them didn't "do" a thing. But I guess their awesomeness should dismiss Mandrakk's lame defeat?
Like you said, if one actually looks at the context behind what transpired, it's pretty clear that an uber chain of events was responsible for overcoming Mandrakk - not just a few lowly GL's/Supermen.
That chain being Supes wished from a happy ending. Nix shows up and overdoing it by bringing the Zoo crew and the host of angels when the Supermen he assembled and GL were enough to killed Mandrakk. And I'm not making this up because well that's exactly what happened. Or should I some how excuse his lame defeat because Nix, the Pax Dei, and the Zoo Crew happened to be standing there? WTF? Were they silently TP attacking him during that 2 panel fight? Haha. Come on now, Galan.
COIE Anti-Monitor wins this. Mandrakk was defeated by the defenses of the multiverse throughout Superman Beyond and FC7. Spectre's fight with the AM was beyond the imaginings in creation itself.