Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
"Mahayana Buddhism holds that the sum of actions and experiences of the present and previous lifetimes are accumulated and stored as karma in the depths of life and will form the framework of individual existence in the next lifetime."I could have sworn you said you didn't believe in reincarnation. Maybe it was a defensive thing?
There are just as many types of Buddhists as there are types of Christians. If you wish to know what I believe then go here:
http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/buddhismofnichirendaishonin.php
I have said that I believe in Simultaneous Incarnation because Reincarnation is basically flawed. However, to keep things simple, I tell people I believe in Reincarnation. Most people don't know the difference between Simultaneous Incarnation and Reincarnation.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
You're clearly an Obamaniac. I mean seriously, how brainwashed do you have to be to think he isn't the antithesis of all good in the universe?
blah, saw a kid at my school yesterday with an Obama t-shirt on, and like, ok, black identity politics and all, but he really isn't our president.
that and he wants to re-negotiate economic deals so that we just end up sucking America's cock and giving them softwood lumber as payment.
or, i mean, BARAK THE VOTE!!!!!11 Obama is like the greatest president of all time, I saw his inaugural address, and he was like, so, ummm, dark skinned, I was so wrapped up in how different he was, physically, and how he personally embodied the change I know will come from his cabinet picked of old guard washington insiders.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There are just as many types of Buddhists as there are types of Christians. If you wish to know what I believe then go here:
http://www.sgi-usa.org/buddhism/buddhismofnichirendaishonin.phpI have said that I believe in Simultaneous Incarnation because Reincarnation is basically flawed. However, to keep things simple, I tell people I believe in Reincarnation. Most people don't know the difference between Simultaneous Incarnation and Reincarnation.
I sort of assumed you would have summarized the type of Buddhism that you follow.
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I have many times. I even have a Thread on the top. 😄
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=386032
Originally posted by ushomefreeThe antichrist is the complete and total opposite of Jesus the Christ; flat on its face, the antichrist refers to the opposite of good -- God's law and person. The opposite of good -- antichrist virtue -- sums to the destruction of man, not to mention God's creation. Label it whatever you want, but the effect is very, very real.
Originally posted by Shakymunison
If the effect is real, then it should be able to be scientifically tested. I wonder why no one has tested it yet, maybe it’s because good and evil are not real beyond the mind of the individual.
Sinful man. Notice, that no explanation is required. I apologize ahead of time, the embed was not available. Click on the hyperlink below, please.
The video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWqVIdq9NH8
Originally posted by ushomefreeAnd you know this! Virtually all religions (on the face of the planet) convey struggle between good and evil.
Originally posted by Shakymunison
This is an over simplification. Most religions do have a concept of good and evil, but Buddhism teaches that good and evil are paths that people take, and not something tangible.
Yes, people do choose their own paths; hence, free will. But until you have general knowledge of sin (and the effects of such), I believe we are at a loss. To be sure, answer me this: What do you think, with all your knowledge concerning Buddhism, do you think the man (in the hyperlink above) resides to such nonsense? When explaining, reach the root of the issue. And do this without referring to your consciousness.
Originally posted by ushomefreeThis is nothing new. Human beings are all deserving of judgement, but Jesus the Christ interjected (for man).
Originally posted by Shakymunison
And were did you get the idea that humans are deserving of judgement? That sounds like an evil path to me.
Evil path? On the contrary, judgement of one's actions is righteous! Failure to do so, otherwise, is evil. Regarding the reality of God's judgement, man inherently, has knowledge of this truth; such is the reason you reject Christianity. You substitute reality at the price of your own philosophy -- what "you" feel is right and/or comforting.
Originally posted by ushomefreeWe know this "inherently."
Originally posted by Shakymunison
No, a child that is never taught this idea will not know it inherently.
Snatch a toy away from a child, and it will scream and shout. Such actions were not taught. Human beings are made in the image of God. You can teach the value of money and/or hard work to a child, but they already value themselves, fresh out of the womb. Again, we -- you and I -- are not robots, merely calculating external stimulus; we are aware of ourselves, not to mention our value. It's the beauty of life itself, and it's a gift from God. Physical matter, being non-conscious in nature, cannot bring about consciousness. More directly, super-computers and/or the best artificial intelligence (AI) produced by man, will never complain about having to work.
Originally posted by ushomefreeWe are made in the image of God; we are not robots merely calculating external stimulus. We have souls, and therefore, are able to "experience" life. Such points to a non-physical realm.
Originally posted by Shakymunison
1. There are no non-physical realm.
2. Humans do not have a soul.
3. Non-physical realms and souls and not needed to "experience" life.
Super-computers, robotics, and AI have proved to be a tremendous advancement for man in coping with everyday life, but such will never be aware. The technology is limited in scope. Again, non-consciousness will never produce consciousness! Frankly, I find it border-line insane that you question it.
Originally posted by ushomefreeI've noticed, over the years, that your dead-bent on Christianity; you despise it!
Originally posted by Shakymunison
At one time I did, and for good reason. I have seen first hand how the teachings of the bible have cause people great harm in their lives.
Such was a result of "their" actions, not the Bible! The bottom line is accountability.
Originally posted by ushomefreeYou embrace Buddhism because it creates a scape-goat for escaping -- in your mind -- accountability.
Originally posted by Shakymunison
It is unbelievably arrogant of you to assume you understand why I am a Buddhist. Buddhism is more difficult then Christianity. I know because I was once a Christian. Most Christians go to Church on Sunday and never think about religion at any other time of the week. I practice my Buddhism at least twice a day, 7 days a week.
Not to toot my own horn, but I once drew a picture of a duck, that won me four (4) gold stars in elementary school! Who cares?! The point is, you reject Christianity in accordance with self-imposed philosophy. You despise accountability. Period. And for the record, just like anything else, people who make claims about themselves are not necessarily true, arbitrarily! Having saving faith in Christ is no different.
Originally posted by ushomefreeWell, let me tell you, my friend, that is the beauty of Christ Jesus. He loves you for who you are, but He wishes that you live life more abundantly -- according to His will.
Originally posted by Shakymunison
You do not know that some man who lived 2000 years ago loves me. Again, a book that was written by humans has told you this.
The Bible was written by man; but it was inspired by God (through works of the Holy Spirit). Jesus Christ confirmed His deity by the act of resurrection. Jesus Christ, in doing so, also confirmed Holy Scripture as the truth -- the only divine message to man. Shakyamunison, God loves you tremendously, but you continue running away from Him. Pride and fear come to mind.
Originally posted by ushomefreeGod is Holy -- perfect! Jesus summed up the 10 commandments, in so many words, by stating, "Treat thy neighbor as thyself." It ain't magic, and it ain't word-play. It's real life!! Face the music, bro.
Originally posted by Shakymunison
“You hypocrite, first take the beam out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye.” Matthew 7:5
Absolutely true, and that is why I'm trying to help you. I care, and I was once clueless when it came to the message/works of Christ Jesus. I pray that you start being honest with yourself and embrace a (saving) relationship with Christ -- the promised Messiah.
If interested, read: What is the plan of salvation/way of salvation?
Symmetric Chaos-
Please allow me to address the issue in the form of a question, since, after all, it is inter-linked with human characteristics. Do you think super-computers will ever feel the need to reproduce? If so, please explain why machines crunching binary code, would find each (and of themselves) attractive. Or maybe, on a lighter note, you could explain why super-computers would ask for a raise in pay for their efforts. Heck, maybe they'd want vacation and sick leave too?!
Originally posted by ushomefree
Sinful man. Notice, that no explanation is required. I apologize ahead of time, the embed was not available. Click on the hyperlink below, please.
We have a disagreement on what sin is.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Yes, people do choose their own paths; hence, free will. But until you have general knowledge of sin (and the effects of such), I believe we are at a loss.
What is a general knowledge of sin? Why is it needed?
Originally posted by ushomefree
To be sure, answer me this: What do you think, with all your knowledge concerning Buddhism, do you think the man (in the hyperlink above) resides to such nonsense? When explaining, reach the root of the issue. And do this without referring to your consciousness.
I am like a child standing on the shore. The great sea before me seems to be endless. I am not a teacher, or a sage; I am just a Buddhist.
Sorry, I am not interested in the hyperlink, but thank you.
What does consciousness have to do with anything? I know, I will have to look at the hyperlink; no thank you.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Evil path? On the contrary, judgement of one's actions is righteous! Failure to do so, otherwise, is evil. Regarding the reality of God's judgement, man inherently, has knowledge of this truth; such is the reason you reject Christianity. You substitute reality at the price of your own philosophy -- what "you" feel is right and/or comforting.
Own philosophy?
Originally posted by ushomefree
Snatch a toy away from a child, and it will scream and shout. Such actions were not taught. Human beings are made in the image of God. You can teach the value of money and/or hard work to a child, but they already value themselves, fresh out of the womb.
Even the smallest ant wants to live. Even worms of the Earth value themselves, and don’t want to die. You are putting too much value on intelligence. All animals have a basic will to survive.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Again, we -- you and I -- are not robots, merely calculating external stimulus; we are aware of ourselves, not to mention our value. It's the beauty of life itself, and it's a gift from God. Physical matter, being non-conscious in nature, cannot bring about consciousness.
You are assuming that the universe is not conscious, while I assume it is. For fun, I call it God. Consciousness can come from non-conscious because of God. God is the Universe, my friend. :-)
Originally posted by ushomefree
More directly, super-computers and/or the best artificial intelligence (AI) produced by man, will never complain about having to work.
Never say never.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Super-computers, robotics, and AI have proved to be a tremendous advancement for man in coping with everyday life, but such will never be aware. The technology is limited in scope. Again, non-consciousness will never produce consciousness!
It’s all fixed if everything is already a consciousness.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Frankly, I find it border-line insane that you question it.
I wounder what you think about Muslims.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Such was a result of "their" actions, not the Bible! The bottom line is accountability.
I have nothing against the Bible. It is a great book, with incredible insight into the nature of man, but so is the Koran.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Not to toot my own horn,
Oh no, here comes the ego trip. jk
Originally posted by ushomefree
but I once drew a picture of a duck, that won me four (4) gold stars in elementary school! Who cares?! The point is, you reject Christianity in accordance with self-imposed philosophy. You despise accountability. Period. And for the record, just like anything else, people who make claims about themselves are not necessarily true, arbitrarily! Having saving faith in Christ is no different.
Am I really that much of a threat to you?
Originally posted by ushomefree
The Bible was written by man; but it was inspired by God (through works of the Holy Spirit). Jesus Christ confirmed His deity by the act of resurrection. Jesus Christ, in doing so, also confirmed Holy Scripture as the truth -- the only divine message to man. Shakyamunison, God loves you tremendously, but you continue running away from Him. Pride and fear come to mind.
It’s meaningless. If we are part of God then God inspires everything we do.
I don’t believe that Jesus died on the cross. He may have gone to India, or to the New World, but he did not die on the cross. The rest is like dominoes. Fear? Anger maybe, but not fear. I’m afraid of heights, but I do not fear hell.
I used to be in the cage, just like you. I had to tear my cage down, to get out. I’m now free. I am responsible for all that I do, and I do not begrudge my life.
Originally posted by ushomefree
Absolutely true, and that is why I'm trying to help you. I care, and I was once clueless when it came to the message/works of Christ Jesus. I pray that you start being honest with yourself and embrace a (saving) relationship with Christ -- the promised Messiah.If interested, read:
Thank you again, but I would rather not.
Originally posted by ushomefreeWhy [size=2]do you like [color=#006600]being such a childish A-Hole??
Super-computers, robotics, and AI have proved to be a tremendous advancement for man in coping with everyday life, but such will never be aware. The technology is limited in scope. Again, non-consciousness will never produce consciousness! Frankly, I find it border-line insane that you question it.
First off can you define what a consciousness is? Second in the next 5 to 10 years we will have developed a computer that has more processing power then the human brain and you don't think that an AI in the future couldn't think for themselves?[/color][/size]
Originally posted by ushomefree
Sinful man. Notice, that no explanation is required. I apologize ahead of time, the embed was not available. Click on the hyperlink below, please.The video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWqVIdq9NH8
Yes, people do choose their own paths; hence, free will. But until you have general knowledge of sin (and the effects of such), I believe we are at a loss. To be sure, answer me this: What do you think, with all your knowledge concerning Buddhism, do you think the man (in the hyperlink above) resides to such nonsense? When explaining, reach the root of the issue. And do this without referring to your consciousness.
Evil path? On the contrary, judgement of one's actions is righteous! Failure to do so, otherwise, is evil. Regarding the reality of God's judgement, man inherently, has knowledge of this truth; such is the reason you reject Christianity. You substitute reality at the price of your own philosophy -- what "you" feel is right and/or comforting.
Snatch a toy away from a child, and it will scream and shout. Such actions were not taught. Human beings are made in the image of God. You can teach the value of money and/or hard work to a child, but they already value themselves, fresh out of the womb. Again, we -- you and I -- are not robots, merely calculating external stimulus; we are aware of ourselves, not to mention our value. It's the beauty of life itself, and it's a gift from God. Physical matter, being non-conscious in nature, cannot bring about consciousness. More directly, super-computers and/or the best artificial intelligence (AI) produced by man, will never complain about having to work.
Super-computers, robotics, and AI have proved to be a tremendous advancement for man in coping with everyday life, but such will never be aware. The technology is limited in scope. Again, non-consciousness will never produce consciousness! Frankly, I find it border-line insane that you question it.
Such was a result of "their" actions, not the Bible! The bottom line is accountability.
Not to toot my own horn, but I once drew a picture of a duck, that won me four (4) gold stars in elementary school! Who cares?! The point is, you reject Christianity in accordance with self-imposed philosophy. You despise accountability. Period. And for the record, just like anything else, people who make claims about themselves are not necessarily true, arbitrarily! Having saving faith in Christ is no different.
The Bible was written by man; but it was inspired by God (through works of the Holy Spirit). Jesus Christ confirmed His deity by the act of resurrection. Jesus Christ, in doing so, also confirmed Holy Scripture as the truth -- the only divine message to man. Shakyamunison, God loves you tremendously, but you continue running away from Him. Pride and fear come to mind.
Absolutely true, and that is why I'm trying to help you. I care, and I was once clueless when it came to the message/works of Christ Jesus. I pray that you start being honest with yourself and embrace a (saving) relationship with Christ -- the promised Messiah.
If interested, read: What is the plan of salvation/way of salvation?
you can be SUCH A JACKASS!!!!!!!!
the VAGINA is the ANTICHRIST!!!
Originally posted by Da Pittman
First off can you define what a consciousness is? Second in the next 5 to 10 years we will have developed a computer that has more processing power then the human brain and you don't think that an AI in the future couldn't think for themselves?
However, at the level you are talking about, the computer metaphor of the brain no longer holds.
While we might be able to produce something more powerful, intelligence is not a byproduct of power, but mass interconnectivity of specifically designed neurological systems.
The human brain is, with the exception of the galaxy itself, the most complex thing in the milky way. Intelligence lies in the hundreds of billions of connections between individual neurons, and cracking that code is probably not going to happen within 5-10 years.
However, there is a lot of interesting research being done in the field, so maybe I'll have egg on my face.
(not to go totally off topic)
Originally posted by inimalist
However, at the level you are talking about, the computer metaphor of the brain no longer holds.While we might be able to produce something more powerful, intelligence is not a byproduct of power, but mass interconnectivity of specifically designed neurological systems.
Like some sort of . . . interwoven net?
Originally posted by inimalistHowever the main limitation is memory right now, once we have storage capacity to store all of the human brain and have the processing power to run it you could and can make a computer model to duplicate the brain. After all the brain is nothing more (taking out the mystical properties) but a biological computer.
However, at the level you are talking about, the computer metaphor of the brain no longer holds.While we might be able to produce something more powerful, intelligence is not a byproduct of power, but mass interconnectivity of specifically designed neurological systems.
The human brain is, with the exception of the galaxy itself, the most complex thing in the milky way. Intelligence lies in the hundreds of billions of connections between individual neurons, and cracking that code is probably not going to happen within 5-10 years.
However, there is a lot of interesting research being done in the field, so maybe I'll have egg on my face.
(not to go totally off topic)
Originally posted by Da Pittman
However the main limitation is memory right now, once we have storage capacity to store all of the human brain and have the processing power to run it you could and can make a computer model to duplicate the brain. After all the brain is nothing more (taking out the mystical properties) but a biological computer.
that is actually my point, it is not.
There are allusions one can make, Working memory as Ram, BUS speed as some type of gating mechanism between memory and attention, but the degree of interconnectedness and the importance of these back and forth connections between say, the visual cortex and emotional centers is not a matter of how fast and powerful the connections are, but of how robust and interconnected they are.
Instead of thinking of it as 1 huge computer, it is better envisioned as millions of even "morse code" powerful computers.
We might be able to simulate certain functions in other ways, and I would largely say looking to the human brain for inspiration for AI is barking up the wrong tree (the human brain evolved for certain functions, we could produce far more efficient intelligence systems designed for specific tasks), but to simulate human style intelligence is not going to be a matter of having enough processor speed.
The caveat to this is, I guess, if you are using software to simulate these billions of connections as I have heard of being done with mouse brain simulations.
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Like some sort of . . . [b]interwoven net? [/B]
probably a better analogy, but there is a funny trend in neuroscience to try and explain the brain through analogy to dominant technologies of the time. Years ago it was to pneumatics.
The whole analogy business is something I want to try and avoid, because it predisposes people to certain interpretations of the results. It may help in explaining things, but I could reference the use of "top-down" and "bottom-up" processes in psychological literature as a recurrent and persistent form of dualism that is sort of becoming more evidently limited in its ability of explaining things.