Originally posted by Battlehammer
after losing his adamitum his healing factor increased just like Wolverine oh and romulus upgraded sabertooth again right before his death. Oh and I believe weapon x upgraded him twices not onceslol the scans
Does the lose of his adamantium count as an upgrade? I don't think so, it brought his healing factor back to the level it was before he had adamantium.
When did the weapon X upgrade him twice? Can you give me issue numbers?
And if you're talking about Wolverine #55, what makes you think Romulus upgraded him in any way? Looks like they just made him completely feral.
Since Sabretooth doesn't have his adamantium skeleton Archangel can just cut him in half. Sabretooth wouldn't be able to dodge if he tried to jump at Archangel.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yup, worked great for Archy their first fight.. 🙄
What's with the rolleyes? 😐
It did work... If Sabretooth hadn't poisoned Archy, Archy would've been left standing there and he could've finished the job. Sabretooth had to GTFO of there to heal - He even states that he was nearly sliced in two.
Archy would've seriously owned Sabretooth in that fight if Sabry hadn't had that poison in his claws. (Which I do believe he doesn't have in this fight) Sabry even shot Archy down with a gun before facing him. 😐
If you look at the last scan I posted, you can see the Scar caused by Archy's wings on Sabry's torso.
Here's Archy cutting a tree down http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/?action=view¤t=Archy.jpg
Originally posted by RhinocerosIt probably has something to do with the sheer stupidity of making such a ridiculous claim. 😐
What's with the rolleyes? 😐[/url]
Originally posted by RhinocerosThat's the whole point. Archangel had a full on shot at Sabretooth twice in that battle, and neither of them sliced Sabretooth in half. They weren't glancing blows they weren't warning shots. They were full on hits and both failed to do what you're claiming they would.
It did work... If Sabretooth hadn't poisoned Archy, Archy would've been left standing there and he could've finished the job. Sabretooth had to GTFO of there to heal - He even states that he was nearly sliced in two.
Originally posted by RhinocerosWhich is totally irrelivent because it has nothing to do with why I'm criticising you. Tangent all you like.
Archy would've seriously owned Sabretooth in that fight if Sabry hadn't had that poison in his claws. (Which I do believe he doesn't have in this fight) Sabry even shot Archy down with a gun before facing him. 😐
But since you insist:
Archangel could have beaten Sabretooth? Yeah and Sabretooth could have killed Archangel in turn as well.. But he wanted Warren to die slow after getting his face diced... Sabretooth playing with his food?!?! NO WAY! Go on!
Shocking I know.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
If you look at the last scan I posted, you can see the Scar caused by Archy's wings on Sabry's torso.Here's Archy cutting a tree down http://s3.photobucket.com/albums/y93/Jyppe/?action=view¤t=Archy.jpg
Debateable as to if that even is a "scar" or just a highlight.
But at the end of the day it's just asinign to make broad statements like "archangel can just cut him in half" as if it would be some easy feat on his part. Frankly you're talking about a guy who's durability whethers class 50-100 blows like they're a nuisance. It's unlikely that Warren would cut him in half based on sheer durability alone... Creed's more durable than a tree BTW, and even less likely considering that Creed has multitudes of fights without an adamantium frame against blade bolstering opponents and DOESN'T get chopped to pieces. It's also relivent that Sabretooth has had several upgrades since that fight. His overall bump by Graydon in Death Hunt, his healing factor by Apocalypse in W125 and his overall upgrade by Weapon X. But Warrens jus gonna come in and dice him in half huh? Yeah that statment certainly deserves a 🙄
Now I will say that in a straight fight Warren has all the advantages enough to win and would likely take the majority here, but it would be nowhere near as easy as you seem to think it would be.
Originally posted by jinzinThat's the whole point. Archangel had a full on shot at Sabretooth twice in that battle, and neither of them sliced Sabretooth in half. They weren't glancing blows they weren't warning shots. They were full on hits and both failed to do what you're claiming they would.
Nope. The first wing attack wasn't intended to be lethal, as Archy didn't even know who he was fighting then. It's more likely that he accidentally hit Sabry when he tore the gun from his hands.
The second hit pretty much did what I said it would do. Keep in mind that Archy was heavily wounded and poisoned nor that he was in a good position to attack.
+ They really didn't want to show something as graphic as Sabretooth getting sliced in 2 - Just like they didn't have Wolverine stab every hero he fought against back then.
And keep in mind that Archy wasn't keen on killing anyone, he was trying hard to become a hero and to prove that he's more than Apoc's *****.
Originally posted by jinzinWhich is totally irrelivent because it has nothing to do with why I'm criticising you. Tangent all you like.
But since you insist:
Archangel could have beaten Sabretooth? Yeah and Sabretooth could have killed Archangel in turn as well.. But he wanted Warren to die slow after getting his face diced... Sabretooth playing with his food?!?! NO WAY! Go on!
Shocking I know.
I understand that that's not what criticized my post for, but be honest... Do you think Sabretooth could've won that fight without the poison? Without the gun?
Originally posted by jinzin
Debateable as to if that even is a "scar" or just a highlight.
I don't think it's that dubious. Angels cut him quite badly near his stomach area, he claims that Archy nearly cut him in half and we see a suspicious outline around his waist.. That outline wasn't there during the fight.
Originally posted by jinzin But at the end of the day it's just asinign to make broad statements like "archangel can just cut him in half" as if it would be some easy feat on his part.
I'll admit it. I wasn't being entirely serious when I said that. It was more of a response to Battlehammer who said something like: "lol sabretooth just jump and hit archangel"
Originally posted by jinzin Frankly you're talking about a guy who's durability whethers class 50-100 blows like they're a nuisance.
When has adamantiumless Sabry taken class 100 blows like they were nuisance? When, I'm honestly curious.
Also, blunt force truma =//= cutting damage. Spider-man has taken hits from the Hulk, Sandman, Venom etc etc but he still doesn't fare well against piercing attack/slicing attacks. Sabry's skeleton is probably tough as hell, but I doubt his tissues are Super duper durable. Do you think Sabretooth's bulletproof?
Originally posted by jinzin It's unlikely that Warren would cut him in half based on sheer durability alone... Creed's more durable than a tree BTW, and even less likely considering that Creed has multitudes of fights without an adamantium frame against blade bolstering opponents and DOESN'T get chopped to pieces.
I posted the the tree scan because it shows Warren cutting something in half on the ground.. Imagine what happens when Sabretooth jumps in the air at a flying Archy. He gains lot more power to his wing attacks when he has lots of momentum/speed himself. I'm not sure if Archy could slice him up if they both just standing there, but with the added momentum of his flight - Hell yeah.
Except that one time when Wolverine spread him around the yard when Brotherhood attacked the school.... How many times was Wolverine's limbs cut off when he didn't have adamantium? I don't think people usually go for limb removals or such in comics - But that doesn't prove that it can't happen.
Originally posted by jinzin It's also relivent that Sabretooth has had several upgrades since that fight. His overall bump by Graydon in Death Hunt, his healing factor by Apocalypse in W125 and his overall upgrade by Weapon X. But Warrens jus gonna come in and dice him in half huh? Yeah that statment certainly deserves a 🙄
And you believe that those upgrades upgraded his durability as well?
Btw, Sabretooth's not in W #125. Sure you got that Ish number right?
Originally posted by jinzin Now I will say that in a straight fight Warren has all the advantages enough to win and would likely take the majority here, but it would be nowhere near as easy as you seem to think it would be.
To be honest, I only meant that Archy could cut him in half if he tried to jump at Archy like Battlehammer said. It would be lot more difficult on the ground.
Originally posted by jinzin
It probably has something to do with the sheer stupidity of making such a ridiculous claim. 😐That's the whole point. Archangel had a full on shot at Sabretooth twice in that battle, and neither of them sliced Sabretooth in half. They weren't glancing blows they weren't warning shots. They were full on hits and both failed to do what you're claiming they would.
Which is totally irrelivent because it has nothing to do with why I'm criticising you. Tangent all you like.
But since you insist:
Archangel could have beaten Sabretooth? Yeah and Sabretooth could have killed Archangel in turn as well.. But he wanted Warren to die slow after getting his face diced... Sabretooth playing with his food?!?! NO WAY! Go on!
Shocking I know.Debateable as to if that even is a "scar" or just a highlight.
But at the end of the day it's just asinign to make broad statements like "archangel can just cut him in half" as if it would be some easy feat on his part. Frankly you're talking about a guy who's durability whethers class 50-100 blows like they're a nuisance. It's unlikely that Warren would cut him in half based on sheer durability alone... Creed's more durable than a tree BTW, and even less likely considering that Creed has multitudes of fights without an adamantium frame against blade bolstering opponents and DOESN'T get chopped to pieces. It's also relivent that Sabretooth has had several upgrades since that fight. His overall bump by Graydon in Death Hunt, his healing factor by Apocalypse in W125 and his overall upgrade by Weapon X. But Warrens jus gonna come in and dice him in half huh? Yeah that statment certainly deserves a 🙄
Now I will say that in a straight fight Warren has all the advantages enough to win and would likely take the majority here, but it would be nowhere near as easy as you seem to think it would be.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not saying that Warren takes this fight necessarily, but didn't Sabretooth himself say that Archangel almost cut him in half?
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
When has adamantiumless Sabry taken class 100 blows like they were nuisance? When, I'm honestly curious.
Sabretooth Open Season. I'm not sure whether or not he had adamantium back then, though. His claws looked organic...
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I doubt his tissues are Super duper durable.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
And you believe that those upgrades upgraded his durability as well?
Death Hunt upgrade was a full-system upgrade.
You want a durability feat? Here you go. It's from Sabretooth: DH #4.
==Weapon X upgrades==
He's stronger. Faster. More durable. Better.
Again, credit goes to jinzin.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Nope. The first wing attack wasn't intended to be lethal, as Archy didn't even know who he was fighting then. It's more likely that he accidentally hit Sabry when he tore the gun from his hands.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
The second hit pretty much did what I said it would do. Keep in mind that Archy was heavily wounded and poisoned nor that he was in a good position to attack.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
+ They really didn't want to show something as graphic as Sabretooth getting sliced in 2 - Just like they didn't have Wolverine stab every hero he fought against back then.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
And keep in mind that Archy wasn't keen on killing anyone, he was trying hard to become a hero and to prove that he's more than Apoc's *****.
Originally posted by RhinocerosI don't think you DO understand, because your random and pointless tangent continues to progress.. Congratulations.
I understand that that's not what criticized my post for, but be honest... Do you think Sabretooth could've won that fight without the poison? Without the gun?
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I don't think it's that dubious. Angels cut him quite badly near his stomach area, he claims that Archy nearly cut him in half and we see a suspicious outline around his waist.. That outline wasn't there during the fight.
Originally posted by RhinocerosAnd yet you ask me why I rolled my eyes?
I'll admit it. I wasn't being entirely serious when I said that. It was more of a response to Battlehammer who said something like: "lol sabretooth just jump and hit archangel"
Originally posted by RhinocerosKillpower plastered him directly in the back of the head to virtually no effect and was immediately counter attacked for his troubles.
When has adamantiumless Sabry taken class 100 blows like they were nuisance? When, I'm honestly curious.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Also, blunt force truma =//= cutting damage. Spider-man has taken hits from the Hulk, Sandman, Venom etc etc but he still doesn't fare well against piercing attack/slicing attacks. Sabry's skeleton is probably tough as hell, but I doubt his tissues are Super duper durable. Do you think Sabretooth's bulletproof?
Originally posted by RhinocerosI'm inclined to disagree.
I posted the the tree scan because it shows Warren cutting something in half on the ground.. Imagine what happens when Sabretooth jumps in the air at a flying Archy. He gains lot more power to his wing attacks when he has lots of momentum/speed himself. I'm not sure if Archy could slice him up if they both just standing there, but with the added momentum of his flight - Hell yeah.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Except that one time when Wolverine spread him around the yard when Brotherhood attacked the school....
Originally posted by RhinocerosWhich is a testiment to Wolverine's fighting skill, especially considering that a number of his rogues use weaponry for that. It proves it's not that easy.
How many times was Wolverine's limbs cut off when he didn't have adamantium? I don't think people usually go for limb removals or such in comics - But that doesn't prove that it can't happen.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
And you believe that those upgrades upgraded his durability as well?
Btw, Sabretooth's not in W #125. Sure you got that Ish number right?
sorry 126
Originally posted by RhinocerosYeah, well like I said, I disagree it'd be anywhere near as easy as you let on.
To be honest, I only meant that Archy could cut him in half if he tried to jump at Archy like Battlehammer said. It would be lot more difficult on the ground.
Originally posted by darthgoober
I'm not saying that Warren takes this fight necessarily, but didn't Sabretooth himself say that Archangel almost cut him in half?
He did... But lets face it. He WAS liable to exaggerate the claim no?
I mean my roommate "almost cut her finger off" cooking, which basically translated to a severe cut, but nothing that even approached the sheer loss of a digit.
Now lets look at some facts. Sabretooth exaggerated a lot at this point in his career. If you want to take that statement at face value then you have to consider he also said things like his speed and claws being enough to contest Thor in a melee confrontation.
Now Archangel may have cut Sabretooth nearly in two but it certainly doesn't appear that way. When Archangel is cutting Sabretooth 3 quarters of his body is yet to be sliced into. When they fall to the ground, Sabretooth wasn't sprawled out nearly in half. He took a slice across the stomach but nothing even approaching being sliced in half from all appearances. Then you have to consider that his healing factor wasn't too hot at this point in time and had Sabretooth really been rent nearly in two, there's no way in hell he'd have healed fast enough to get up as fast as he did.
Then you've got the fact that Warren also said Sabretooth ripped his guts OUT during the fight... But that's impossible. His guts weren't hanging out of him, he wasn't struggling to hold them in, and if he did have his guts ripped out of him, he wouldn't have been able to counter attack as he would have been dead.
At any rate I stand by what I said earlier. The claim would easily be able to rend Sabretooth in half. He hit Sabretooth full on two times and failed to do that. And this was a less durable Sabretooth with a weaker healing factor. It's not as easy as Rhino made it out to be.
Originally posted by shiv
Angel takes to the air laying down heavy fire in widening circles, then -when he hits 3 500 m/s- dips with a lock on sabes and decapitates the savageNo offense intended.
This fight is akin to pitting the strongest fastest snail alive against the strongest fastest Golden Eagle in the sky
Yeah, that's what it's like. 🙄
WINNER:
StiltmanFTW - Thanks for the scans - I believe you're right.
Originally posted by jinzin
😐
At no point was that stated, or even remotely implied. C'mon his wings work on as much instinct as he does. He was shot down and they were protecting him. He diced Sabretooth point blank and did little more than topical damage.
You really think he would've tried to decapitate the first being to stand over him? 🙄 He didn't try to kill people that attacked him in the previous stories. If you look at the scan, you can see Archy kicking Sabry back. I seriously doubt his wing attack was intended to be lethal.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah, no it didn't... You said that Warren could cut him in half. Yet his wings failed to cut through 3 quarters of Sabretooth's body...
I don't see what being poisoned has to do with his wings.
And not in a good position to attack? 😂
He was hunched over point blank in front of his target for a perfectly angled strike.
If you look at scans 5 and 6, you'll notice that Archy cuts him at an angle. It looks like Sabry is cut more on the left side of his body and in scan 6 he's bleeding from the left side of his back as well (If the attack happened only on his stomach, then why is his ass covered in blood?) We also don't know if it was his wings that failed to cut through Sabry or if Archy didn't have enough strength to attack him properly.
Are you kidding me? Do you really think the poison didn't affect his wings at all? You do realise that Archy controls his wings via his nervous system and Sabry used nerve poison. Guess what nerve poison does? He could hardly stand.
Originally posted by jinzin
And yet he was STILL stabbing people and lopping off hands, and yet they still showed Sabretooth gutting Warren quite bluntly on panel.
That still doesn't compare to cutting someone in two. When's the last time you saw that on panel?
Originally posted by jinzin
He was in a rabid attempt to save his own life. You think he was holding back. great... 🙄
He might've given that shot everything he had, but it's pretty certain that the first shot wasn't intended to be a lethal one.
You realise that Warren held back a lot in this fight. He usfe his wings only twice during the fight. He didn't attack Sabry when he was down, he choose to kick and punch him instead.
Sabretooth "held back" (more like enjoyed his kill to be honest) because he's a sadist bastard . Archy held back because he's a hero.
Originally posted by jinzin
And yet he doesn't have the cut in the panel before that. The orange line breaks off into three seperate orange lines in that panel and in the panel he's being cut into, 3 quarters of his body is yet to be touched.
Fair enough - I suppose it's stupid to argue something based on art. I'm going to go by Sabretooth's thoughts instead. - why would he exaggerate something in his thoughts?
Originally posted by jinzin
And yet you ask me why I rolled my eyes?
Tell me. Which is more likely. Sabry jumping at flying Archy and scoring a lethal hit, or Archy cutting him in two (or decapitating him)
Originally posted by jinzin
Killpower plastered him directly in the back of the head to virtually no effect and was immediately counter attacked for his troubles.
I don't think Killpower is nowhere near class 100, I could be wrong though. Can you give me an Ish number?
Originally posted by jinzin
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Ms. Marvel flat out stated that his musles were like steel cables and trying to nerve pinch them was useless.
When he crashlanded the blackbird he took the initial hit at ground zero and yet came out of the inferno with some hair and skin loss while Wolverine was practically a walking skeleton.
And while I don't think his tissue is entirely bullet proof it's certainly quite durable... Look at when Deadpool shot him with a grenade launcher. It failed to do more than singe his chest. 😬
Then there's all the evidence that Stiltman posted.
And why on earth are you ignoring or discounting his skeleton anyways? In order to rend him in two Warren would have to get through skeleton no? So it matters.
Fair enough.
I wasn't ignoring his skeleton's durability. I'm quite aware of it's durability and I believe it's going to be the biggest problem if Archy were to cut him in half.
Can I get an Ish number on that Ms Marvel thing?
Did Sabretooth have his normal powerset back then or was he different like when he fought against Black Cat and Spider-man?
Originally posted by jinzin
And when it comes to his Skeleton, it IS bullet proof. Cyclops focused his beam to the size and density of a bullet directly into Sabretooth's forehead and it failed to penetrate. While we're at it, we've seen that Sabretooth's claws can easily rend through steel as well as Warrens own wings. Not his bones but his CLAWS are durable enough to do that.
I never doubted his skeleton's durability. It's quite obviously bullet proof.
Weren't Warren's feathered wings growing underneath the metal ones? Warren's old metal wings were composed of some kind of techno-organic material and I think even Wolverine couldn't really damage them. (When Cameron Hodge put them against each other. It looks like Wolverine scores a shot at the wings once) but I guess
we don't know.
Originally posted by jinzin
I'm inclined to disagree.
Then we have to agree to disagree.
Originally posted by jinzin
then that means he didn't have his Adamantium Skeleton at this point which means he was also taking shots from Sinisters Supermen, Sasquatch and Wendigo with no Adamantium Skeleton.
Do we know for certain when these events happened? They could've happened before he lost his adamantium. Do they give any hints on when those happened chronologically? I could check but... Meh..
Originally posted by jinzin
Further class 100 whethering, an argument only compounded by AOA Sabretooth who's also taken shots from Iron Man, and Meastro Hulk, to a bearer of the star brand with ease. Oh I know he's not mainstream.... Of course not, because his timeline deviated before his Apoc and Weapon X enhancements... Funny that Betty couldn't tell the difference between him and his 616 counterpart she fought and trained with years ago until he showed his mentality but she COULD immediately tell the difference between 616 and alternate Wolverine.
I think the general consensus is, that alternate timelines don't count for main universe characters. Weren't Wolverine's bones were supposed to be connected by very small adamantium ligaments? Cyke destroyed his hand in AOA etc.
Originally posted by jinzin
Considering that it was flat out stated? Yeah.sorry 126
Yeah, sorry about that. I should've checked, but I was lazy.
Btw, # 126 doesn't say anything about Apocalypse or a healing factor upgrade.
Originally posted by jinzin
Yeah, well like I said, I disagree it'd be anywhere near as easy as you let on.
It sure as hell is easier than Sabretooth jumping and hitting Archy.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
You really think he would've tried to decapitate the first being to stand over him? 🙄 He didn't try to kill people that attacked him in the previous stories. If you look at the scan, you can see Archy kicking Sabry back. I seriously doubt his wing attack was intended to be lethal.
Originally posted by RhinocerosInconsistency? Even then all we see is topical damage thought I'll give you that it looks worse in the second scan than the first..
If you look at scans 5 and 6, you'll notice that Archy cuts him at an angle. It looks like Sabry is cut more on the left side of his body and in scan 6 he's bleeding from the left side of his back as well (If the attack happened only on his stomach, then why is his ass covered in blood?) We also don't know if it was his wings that failed to cut through Sabry or if Archy didn't have enough strength to attack him properly..
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Are you kidding me? Do you really think the poison didn't affect his wings at all? You do realise that Archy controls his wings via his nervous system and Sabry used nerve poison. Guess what nerve poison does? He could hardly stand.
Originally posted by RhinocerosIt DOES however compare easily to cutting someone almost in half as opposed to simply slicing them across the belly which is WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. I asuppose you thing Ord almost cut Wolverine in half as well. 🤨
That still doesn't compare to cutting someone in two. When's the last time you saw that on panel?
Originally posted by RhinocerosBased on your complete and total ASSUMPTION... so it's about as "certain" as a coin toss.
He might've given that shot everything he had, but it's pretty certain that the first shot wasn't intended to be a lethal one.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
You realise that Warren held back a lot in this fight. He usfe his wings only twice during the fight. He didn't attack Sabry when he was down, he choose to kick and punch him instead.Sabretooth "held back" (more like enjoyed his kill to be honest) because he's a sadist bastard . Archy held back because he's a hero.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Fair enough - I suppose it's stupid to argue something based on art. I'm going to go by Sabretooth's thoughts instead. - why would he exaggerate something in his thoughts?
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Tell me. Which is more likely. Sabry jumping at flying Archy and scoring a lethal hit, or Archy cutting him in two (or decapitating him)
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I don't think Killpower is nowhere near class 100, I could be wrong though. Can you give me an Ish number?
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
Fair enough.
I wasn't ignoring his skeleton's durability. I'm quite aware of it's durability and I believe it's going to be the biggest problem if Archy were to cut him in half.Can I get an Ish number on that Ms Marvel thing?
Did Sabretooth have his normal powerset back then or was he different like when he fought against Black Cat and Spider-man?
Ms. Marvel vol.1 issue 24 or 25 I think.
Normal Powerset well after his fued with Wolverine had developed.
Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I never doubted his skeleton's durability. It's quite obviously bullet proof.Weren't Warren's feathered wings growing underneath the metal ones? Warren's old metal wings were composed of some kind of techno-organic material and I think even Wolverine couldn't really damage them. (When Cameron Hodge put them against each other. It looks like Wolverine scores a shot at the wings once) but I guess
we don't know.
And there's chunks of debris all over the place in those panels. If your assertion was that Wolverine landed hits on the wings, mine is that he was doing damage to them.
Originally posted by RhinocerosThat's what I'm saying. If you think he was diced to pieces in that fight quite literally then he could not have possibly had his adamantium in the following fights.
Do we know for certain when these events happened? They could've happened before he lost his adamantium. Do they give any hints on when those happened chronologically? I could check but... Meh..
Otherwise the chunks of meat and blood on the ground were not limbs that were cut off and diced to meat cubes but just bits of meat that would be expected with any sabes/wolvie fight.
Originally posted by RhinocerosWhich is why I draw on Psylocke's credability to distinguish those differences when meeting alternate u characters.. something she failed to do with Sabretooth.
I think the general consensus is, that alternate timelines don't count for main universe characters. Weren't Wolverine's bones were supposed to be connected by very small adamantium ligaments? Cyke destroyed his hand in AOA etc.
Originally posted by Rhinocerosduring the fight Sabes sports an adamantium skeleton and a healing factor faster than he's ever seen before. The apoc reveal wasn't until 145 I believe.
Yeah, sorry about that. I should've checked, but I was lazy.Btw, # 126 doesn't say anything about Apocalypse or a healing factor upgrade.
Originally posted by Rhinocerosabout just as implausible actually.
It sure as hell is easier than Sabretooth jumping and hitting Archy.
Granted with Infinite updates and sufficient hype Sabretooth's muscles are potentially stronger than Huc .. Now If only his eyes and that stuff which sits behind them & between his ears was strong too.
For Archangel will stab his eyes out and skewer his brain like a ripe tomato
Archangel 10/10
'Tooth the Jumping pinata 0/10
ok, I personally HATE Sabretooth, but Angel doesn't stand a chance. If it is the normal angel then no. If it is the apocalpyse angel then Angel kix Victor's as. The thing is, if this is normal Sabretooth and normal Angel, Victor would shred Angel's wings with his claws (adimanthium or not). Or pull them out. Angel has to big of a wingspan to dodge the claws. But if it is his METAL wings vs. Victor's bones (wich in my opinion would be unfair to Victor in this fight) Victor is screwed.
(yes I like using the word screwed 😄 )
We're not using "normal" Angel
to discuss Archangel vs Sabretooth.
btw Jinzin When completely depowered Archangel's wings became self aware and Warren lost all motor controll.
As the wings are killing him Wolverine observes that the wings want his blood and the more blood they spill the more aggressive they'll get.
snapse disrupting blades are shutting down Logan's nervous system and ripping his body like a paper shredder. The panels also show Logan receiving numerous pimpslaps. Shafts move and extend like a boxer blocking Logan's clawstrikes
Jean stops this by placing herself in front of Depowered Archangel To force him to override his wings which are self aware
Through willpower its possible amoung humans to regulate biological function. Intervention is a Risk For Jean because Warren doesn't have a conventional neural connection to his wings
The way the wings are linked to Warren's brain is not clear. On panel they can broadcast directly into his brain whether or not they're in the same hemisphere.
On panel Jean disobeyed a direct command from Cyke to gtfo but her instinct worked out okay. Warren can broadcast back.
With his mutagene switched off by Wipeout & The Genegineer Worthington wasn't able to controll his wings. Period.
Jeans intervention and speech was the catalysit for Warren to use willpower to reach out and prompt the wings to Stop.
The alternative was to continue as a passenger in his body and watch his wings kill Jean and Logan.
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Archangel with active mutagene and kmc bloodlust wins 10/10.
Originally posted by shiv
We're not using "normal" Angel
to discuss Archangel vs Sabretooth.btw Jinzin When completely depowered Archangel's wings became self aware and Warren lost all motor controll.
As the wings are killing him Wolverine observes that the wings want his blood and the more blood they spill the more aggressive they'll get.
snapse disrupting blades are shutting down Logan's nervous system and ripping his body like a paper shredder. The panels also show Logan receiving numerous pimpslaps. Shafts move and extend like a boxer blocking Logan's clawstrikes
Jean stops this by placing herself in front of Depowered Archangel To force him to override his wings which are self aware
Through willpower its possible amoung humans to regulate biological function. Intervention is a Risk For Jean because Warren doesn't have a conventional neural connection to his wings
The way the wings are linked to Warren's brain is not clear. On panel they can broadcast directly into his brain whether or not they're in the same hemisphere.
On panel Jean disobeyed a direct command from Cyke to gtfo but her instinct worked out okay. Warren can broadcast back.
With his mutagene switched off by Wipeout & The Genegineer Worthington wasn't able to controll his wings. Period.
Jeans intervention and speech was the catalysit for Warren to use willpower to reach out and prompt the wings to Stop.
The alternative was to continue as a passenger in his body and watch his wings kill Jean and Logan.
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.Archangel with active mutagene and kmc bloodlust wins 10/10.
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I'm not sure what in the bloody hell you think this ranting proves exactly...
Warren's wings were attacking Wolverine all out, Wolverine was holding back trying to only strike at the wings without hurting Warren, and Wolverine was on his last leg with no healing factor to even speak of. His performance was near miserable throughout that entire arc and references at least half a dozen times.
If THAT'S the so called proof that makes you think your justified in your delusion all I can say is... Nu...uh......
Warren wins 10/10? Yeah.... No he doesn't.
