Hostages being held in new york

Originally posted by BackFire
This is about blaming people for a shooting, not about politically slanted news networks. MSNBC didn't try and blame Bush for this shooting as Fox News has apparently done to Obama, so what's the relevance? You can scroll up a bit and see where I said the gunman is only to blame. That means yes Bush isn't to blame, and neither is Obama. So what does MSNBC have to do with any of that again? You have this funny and stupid habit of trying to use MSNBC as a red haring to keep attention off of Fox when it does something stupid, even when MSNBC isn't relevant to the actual discussion. Like bringing up the fact that MSNBC is left leaning is some kind of retort to Fox saying something racist or inappropriate on a level beyond simple partisanship.

Where has Fox News blamed Obama? You created that in your warped mind because you're so entrenched in believing the bullshit about Fox News being actually more bias then any other slanted news station out there. What does MSNBC have to do this this? You're the one that decided to bring up news stations. I was just pointing out how ridiculous people look when they claim Fox News to be so bias as to blame Obama for this while a station like MSNBC would do the same thing with Bush.

Originally posted by BackFire

Oh, here I thought you meant what you said - "All violence". Say what you mean next time. It's not my responsibility to sit here and morph what you said into something less stupid. All violence means all violence. If you meant some current drug war violence and only that then specify that.

I thought you were smart enough to not actually assume I meant the US caused all the violence through out the history of Mexico. Did you think: "Hey, does he mean the US caused the Mexican War of Independence too?!" I try and hold people on the forum to a higher standard, but sure i will specify it next time.

Originally posted by BackFire

Oh I called them nazis now? I wasn't aware, I'm glad I have you here to lie about what I say, now. I simply pointed out that they are prone to saying stupid things, and when they started saying that the guy was laid off of IBM I began to think that they would probably at some point attempt to blame Obama for the tragedy in some way or criticize him for it, which is what someone else said they did. And considering their history I believed him.

How would you assume that by stating the man was just laid off that they would blame Obama? That is the first thought that comes to mind when you hear that? Not "Hey, maybe that is the reason he did this, because he just lost his job" it was: "They just said the guy lost his job! Look at them blaming Obama now!"

If the man worked for GM..then maybe it would be understandable with Obama firing people from that company and all.

Originally posted by BackFire

Bus is still here for him, he himself is driving it. It's just too easy to mock a piglike drug addict.

Obama is a pretty easy target, isnt he?

Originally posted by KidRock
Where has Fox News blamed Obama? You created that in your warped mind because you're so entrenched in believing the bullshit about Fox News being actually more bias then any other slanted news station out there. What does MSNBC have to do this this? You're the one that decided to bring up news stations. I was just pointing out how ridiculous people look when they claim Fox News to be so bias as to blame Obama for this while a station like MSNBC would do the same thing with Bush.

Originally posted by siriuswriter
13 dead, shooter killed self.

I was forced to watch Fox News while this was going on. They're blaming it on the fact that the shooter was laid off from IBM.

Which then turned into an Obama attack [first, because his financial plan apparently sucks. second, because he's doing a european tour and "isn't home for this "tragedy"" and that presidents are checked on a scale of what they do during the first tragedy of their careers, and obama isn't here so what does that say about it..."

blah. blah.

but yes.

There you have it. It wasn't even my initial claim, I read that and responded because when I heard them say the guy was laid off I knew that this was Fox news and that it's not below them to try and spin something like this into a political attack, I then come on these forums and see someone claiming such an attack already took place and I responded.

I didn't bring up news stations though, did I. Siriuswriter did. I responded to something that was already posted.

Again, you say MSNBC WOULD attack Bush for this, but they didn't. There hasn't been reports of them doing so, as siriuswriter reports that Fox News DID do this. So there is the difference. Again, since you are unable to read I will repeat what I said in a prior post that you spastically ignored; this isn't about partisan news networks, it's about a network reportedly actually attacking someone for a tragedy such as this. Fox has apparently done this, MSNBC has not. And such a thing would fit perfectly into the vast resume of Fox News saying exceedingly stupid things beyond anything that any other major news network would. Not saying MSNBC isn't slanted, just that they're factually not relevant to this current discussion and you bringing them up is committing the logical fallacy of red herring.

Originally posted by KidRock
I thought you were smart enough to not actually assume I meant the US caused all the violence through out the history of Mexico. Did you think: "Hey, does he mean the US caused the Mexican War of Independence too?!" I try and hold people on the forum to a higher standard, but sure i will specify it next time.

I'm sorry that you expected me to read your mind and get all this information from "...all violence in Mexico". Clearly it's my fault that you are unable to construct clear points.

Originally posted by KidRock
How would you assume that by stating the man was just laid off that they would blame Obama? That is the first thought that comes to mind when you hear that? Not "Hey, maybe that is the reason he did this, because he just lost his job" it was: "They just said the guy lost his job! Look at them blaming Obama now!"

If the man worked for GM..then maybe it would be understandable with Obama firing people from that company and all.

I assumed it because it's Fox News. I already explained this above so there is no need to repeat. Well, then again, there might be a need to repeat since this is you we're talking about.

Originally posted by KidRock
Obama is a pretty easy target, isnt he?

Whatever that means.

Fox News is deffinitively Faux News.

Originally posted by BackFire
There you have it. It wasn't even my initial claim, I read that and responded because when I heard them say the guy was laid off I knew that this was Fox news and that it's not below them to try and spin something like this into a political attack, I then come on these forums and see someone claiming such an attack already took place and I responded.

Lol don't trip while back pedaling. You supported the idea that Fox News were going to somehow blame Obama, don't wet yourself because you got called out. Still waiting for some video clip of Fox News blaming Obama for this.

Originally posted by BackFire
Hahaha, I turned on Fox news a minute ago and saw "Shooter was just laid off from IBM" and thought to myself how people on that network are probably going to try and somehow blame Obama for this whole thing now. Gotta love Fox., the Jerry Springer of news networks.

Originally posted by BackFire

I didn't bring up news stations though, did I. Siriuswriter did. I responded to something that was already posted.

You went along with it. You said you were watching Fox News and your initial thoughts were "Lets see them blame Obama for this" before you even read Siriuswriters post.

Originally posted by BackFire

Again, you say MSNBC WOULD attack Bush for this, but they didn't. There hasn't been reports of them doing so, as siriuswriter reports that Fox News DID do this. So there is the difference. Again, since you are unable to read I will repeat what I said in a prior post that you spastically ignored; this isn't about partisan news networks, it's about a network reportedly actually attacking someone for a tragedy such as this. Fox has apparently done this, MSNBC has not. And such a thing would fit perfectly into the vast resume of Fox News saying exceedingly stupid things beyond anything that any other major news network would. Not saying MSNBC isn't slanted, just that they're factually not relevant to this current discussion and you bringing them up is committing the logical fallacy of red herring.

I am saying if you're claiming Fox News would blame Obama then you must agree MSNBC would do the same thing to Bush. I am calling out how ridiculous it's to blame one news network and not the other because they agree with your views, it's just pathetically sad people hate on Fox while leaving MSNBC alone. And no, Fox apparently hasn't actually attacked someone over this.

It isnt a red herring at all. It's used to back up my calling you out on being so ignorant as to accuse Fox News of blaming Obama but not a slanted network like MSNBC to do the same to Bush. Using examples and evidence isn't a logical fallacy.

Originally posted by BackFire

I'm sorry that you expected me to read your mind and get all this information from "...all violence in Mexico". Clearly it's my fault that you are unable to construct clear points.

If I decide to make a thread on the President of the United States tripping down the stairs of the white house I will be sure to include Obama's name. Wouldn't want you getting confused thinking: "Oh know?! what president?! Washington? Lincoln? Not Chester A. Arthur..anyone but him!" I guess some people just don't have the capacity to connect simple dots.

Though I do laugh at you scratching your head wondering how the hell the United States caused the Aztecs to be wiped out by the Spanish.

Originally posted by BackFire

[QUOTE=11730146]Originally posted by BackFire
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Whatever that means.

Forgot..I have to specify everything.

Obama is very pig like and has done cocaine(drugs)..thus making him an easy target.

Yeah, tangent I know, but wasn't Bush accused of cocaine use? And marijuna? and signing up for the army without actually doing anything?

and admitting that going into iraq made both america and iraq go on a downward spiral?

hmmmmmmm.

as far as news networks, i was watching the news as i was typing. they brought in a new york methodist hospital dude, and a dude who was all "agreeing with Faux about financial situation"

i like to think that i'm pretty intuitive, and Fox sends out a lot of negative symbols, and I know a lot of politics - therefore deduction.

[/tangenty tangent]

Oh well I overreacted. Everyone is entitled to say what they want about Fox News or anything else. I apologize BF.

Rupert Murdoch has stated that he only reports conservative news and whatnot for ratings. He stated that if he thought having fox news a liberal station would increase ratings he would do that. He has a biography out that says he doesn't like Bill O'Reilly, and he's just there because he's their number one draw to the network.

Absolutely no need to apologize, KR. I know MSNBC is just as biased to the left as Fox is to the right, the point was simply that I've never ever heard them say anything nearing the stupidity of the things I've heard on Fox News - the baby mama bs, the terrorist fist jab suggestion, and so on. And those things are what I was speaking of this entire time, not the political agenda of the network.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos

The quote wasn't entirely ironic as I used it. Originally it was/is a reference to how a tall person has an advantage is a sword fight (specifically in dueling, where the extra reach was very useful). With a gun people are essentially equals.

Oh I see..... Thanks. 🙂

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Rupert Murdoch has stated that he only reports conservative news and whatnot for ratings. He stated that if he thought having fox news a liberal station would increase ratings he would do that. He has a biography out that says he doesn't like Bill O'Reilly, and he's just there because he's their number one draw to the network.

So in other words liberals even own the conservative media?

major problem:

Some nutjob kills 12 people, the conversation becomes "who is to blame?", and everyone starts co-opting this man and his victims as some sort of political propaganda, as if this clearly this is an issue that involves the president or other major political institutions.

so, want to know what this is really evidence of? There is no effective mental health system in North America. All these gun deaths, all the public shootings, these were unstable people who eventually were put into a context they couldn't handle. The only people who can be at fault are the murderers themselves, but ****, if you want to rally behind a cause, how about less public ostracism for people who see therapists and a mental health system that focuses on making people stable before they have crises like this.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
So in other words liberals even own the conservative media?

Originally posted by ItsRambo
geez wonder why the shooter did it crazy??

No just an normal American tradition which happens now and again

Originally posted by Bicnarok
No just an normal American tradition which happens now and again

Originally posted by LDHZenkai
Yep, since no other places can really attack us on our own soil, we sometimes go crazy and do it ourselves. Basically the moral to the story is some people are crazy. In America we typically ignore other peoples problems and stick to ourselves (when it comes to internal problems not world problems). If we paid as much attention to our own problems here and less to the problems in other parts of the world we could be a much better country.

Or we might be a nice happy nation that's starving and freezing to death in all that's left of a thermonuclearly devestated wasteland.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Or we might be a nice happy nation that's starving and freezing to death in all that's left of a thermonuclearly devestated wasteland.

Originally posted by inimalist
major problem:

Some nutjob kills 12 people, the conversation becomes "who is to blame?"

I was going to pull the chair out from under my co-worker this afternoon, but I think Obama's got enough on his plate to have to worry about how his administration was behind my act of deviance.

All I know is when they start blaming weather storms on political figures, then maybe we've crossed the line. Oh, wait--

Originally posted by botankus

All I know is when they start blaming weather storms on political figures, then maybe we've crossed the line. Oh, wait--

😆 😆 I like that.