ROTS palpatine vs ROTS anikan

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
From Page 205 of "The Making of Revenge of the Sith" by J.W. Rinzler:

When Palpatine easily strikes down Mace's three associate Jedi at the outset of the scene, Knoll says, "Look at this- Mace brought the B-team!"

"You have to be either Mace or Yoda to compete with the Emporer," Lucas says. "If Anakin hadn't got all beat-up, he could've beat the Emporer."

So as you can see... it was clearly all part of the same statement by Lucas.

no Lucas's statement didnt give any refernce to some distant future perioed save for him not getting burned(because thats when he lost his unlimited force reserves), nor did he give any reference to Aankin accomplishing this when he grows stronger..

Not to mention that Nick Gillard in the same book calls Anakin a level 9 swordsman up there with Mace, Yoda and the Emporer.

But assuming for a moment that he is a legitimate source, he still states that Anakin is a nine when using the dark side, which means Mace would still kick his ass.

There was NO MENTION of some far off future period.

If Lucas was talking about Anakins future potential then he would have said "anakin would definetely have beat sidious" but instead he said "Could have" with no mention of any distant future time period. The whole statement was about the ROTS time period. Thats your own assumption that hes talking about some distant future.. "Could have" only implies "has a chance"

My palm broke the sound barrier on its way to my face.

You're ridiculous.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
There was NO MENTION of some far off future period.

If Lucas was talking about Anakins future potential then he would have said "anakin would definetely have beat sidious" but instead he said "Could have" with no mention of any distant future time period. The whole statement was about the ROTS time period. Thats your own assumption that hes talking about some distant future.. "Could have" only implies "has a chance"

Lucas probably thought most people would of known he was refering to Anakin in the future. Sidious even say "Lord Vader will become more powerful than either of us." He did not say Anakin was. I know you are going to say Sidious is not a reliable source, but the two sources go hand in hand.

"Anakin would have become twice as powerful" is a pretty clear indicator of Lucas' intentions.

Well the quote about being twice as powerful was a completely different quote. That was from the OT, saying how Powerful Anakin would be by the OT. BUt in this staement Lucas didnt say Anakin WOULD have beat the Emporer, but he COULD HAVE beat him. That to me doesnt Imply his FULL potential where we know he WOULD have been Twice as powerful as Sidious, and he therefore WOULD HAVE easily defeated him.

But neway as of ROTS Anakin loses against Sidious because Sidious is Much Faster and Much better with the Force. Although if we are to go by Nick Gillard's ratings then Anakin has a fair chance at Sabers.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Well the quote about being twice as powerful was a completely different quote. That was from the OT, saying how Powerful Anakin would be by the OT. BUt in this staement Lucas didnt say Anakin WOULD have beat the Emporer, but he COULD HAVE beat him. That to me doesnt Imply his FULL potential where we know he WOULD have been Twice as powerful as Sidious, and he therefore WOULD HAVE easily defeated him.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Implications abound. I doubt very much that George Lucas would speak so cryptically. It's very safe to assume that when he said Anakin would have been twice as powerful as Sidious, then that's his full potential.

Yes that statement was talking about his full potential. Thats why he said WOULD have been.

However the statement we are talking about is as of ROTS(the SAME statement where Lucas is talking about who can take on Sidious), and Lucas says COULD have, NOT WOULD have.. Which suggests hes NOT talking about his Full Potential but the chance Anakin May have as of ROTS, had he not got all beat up.

Add this to Nick Gillards Ratings and it would suggest Anakin would have A CHANCE in Sabers. Remember NOT WOULD beat Sidious, BUT COULD beat him... i.e. have a chance. Could be a Very Small Chance, but most Jedis would Not Even Have A Chance.

What do you think "if he hadn't gotten beaten up" means? That if he'd beaten Obi-Wan, he could've hopped straight to Sidious?

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Yes that statement was talking about his full potential. Thats why he said WOULD have been.

However the statement we are talking about is as of ROTS(the SAME statement where Lucas is talking about who can take on Sidious), and Lucas says COULD have, NOT WOULD have.. Which suggests hes NOT talking about his Full Potential but the chance Anakin May have as of ROTS, had he not got all beat up.

Add this to Nick Gillards Ratings and it would suggest Anakin would have A CHANCE in Sabers. Remember NOT WOULD beat Sidious, BUT COULD beat him... i.e. have a chance. Could be a Very Small Chance, but most Jedis would Not Even Have A Chance.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I am f*cking lost, what are you arguing?

oh just that as of ROTS apart from Mace and Yoda, Anakin also would have the Power to challenge Sidious. But would still lose. So yeah probably pointless argument.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
oh just that as of ROTS apart from Mace and Yoda, Anakin also would have the Power to challenge Sidious. But would still lose. So yeah probably pointless argument.

Totally.

"Challenge" =/= "Compete." Lucas made it crystal clear.

You have no case.