I remember that comic where she fought Necrom. She never did demonstrate the level of expertise that Necrom showed with the Phoenix force. The extent of her power was simply a little below planetary level. Necrom did all the impressive feats there.
If that's the full extent of her power, then RKT stomps. Classic Thor has already shown equal or more than that level of power before. RKT is just overkill.
Originally posted by id369
Yeah, and that version is still restricted. IRRC she progressively became better at using PF.
that's different than what you implied. by restricted, i thought you meant her powers were limited in some way. as she went along she DID become more SKILLED. less skilled and restricted are 2 different things though. the version in that thor scan had some CRAZY feats though in the early excalibur series. that time-cross arc showed that she was pretty uber and even the beyonder was something along the lines of impressed by the scope of her power.
this version had some weird and inconsistent showings though. guess that's what happens when you put someone of that level in a team book. without SOME pis once in a while she wouldn't NEED anyone else on the team--she'd save the day every time. 😬
Originally posted by leonidas
that's different than what you implied. by restricted, i thought you meant her powers were limited in some way. as she went along she DID become more SKILLED. less skilled and restricted are 2 different things though. the version in that thor scan had some CRAZY feats though in the early excalibur series. that time-cross arc showed that she was pretty uber and even the beyonder was something along the lines of impressed by the scope of her power.this version had some weird and inconsistent showings though. guess that's what happens when you put someone of that level in a team book. without SOME pis once in a while she wouldn't NEED anyone else on the team--she'd save the day every time. 😬
You mean like Thor and the Avengers? 😖hifty:
Originally posted by Enyalus
...If she wasn't restricted, then being KO'd by Thor has to be PIS, right?
not really. one of Mjolnir's properties is energy absorption and magnification. Being hit by a blast 10x as strong as the one she just put out (and by surprise, I admit) would probably KO her.
as for whether or not thor could absorb energy output on rachael's level- Classic Thor absorbed the energy of a null bomb capable of taking out an entire galaxy and ignited a dead sun with it.
Pure energy users are at a disadvantage vs. Thor, imo
Originally posted by leonidas
that's different than what you implied. by restricted, i thought you meant her powers were limited in some way. as she went along she DID become more SKILLED. less skilled and restricted are 2 different things though. the version in that thor scan had some CRAZY feats though in the early excalibur series. that time-cross arc showed that she was pretty uber and even the beyonder was something along the lines of impressed by the scope of her power.this version had some weird and inconsistent showings though. guess that's what happens when you put someone of that level in a team book. without SOME pis once in a while she wouldn't NEED anyone else on the team--she'd save the day every time. 😬
The version that Thor took down had both; restricted personal use of the Phoenix Force‘s power, and limited perception of what Phoenix Force can accomplish.
Thor is fighting Rachael in current times, with full accesses with the Phoenix Force.
Originally posted by leonidas
i still don't get what you mean by 'restricted use'. i'd love to see some proof that the version in that scan was 'restricted' in the amount of power she could access. somewhat less experienced? yes. fundamentally restricted? i'd like to know where taht idea comes from . . .
Originally posted by leonidasIt was an X-Title, I don’t have accesses to my hard drive. But I believe its mentioned the moment Phoenix merges with Rachael around "Days of Future Past arc". I know for certain that in Secret War 2, when Beyonder grants her more power; Rachael questions if this is what her mom felt when embraced the Phoenix Force completely.
ATM? 😕anyway, if you can show it, that'd be cool. i can't recall reading anywhere in that excalibur series that she was restricted in the manner you are suggesting. could have been revealed in an x-book that i don't know about though . . .