For what purpose did God create the world?

Originally posted by inimalist
umm... wut?

The trend has been for our culture to expand, by trade or by conquest, and replace/exterminate the native way of life.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
(I should have added 'always been...'😉
When the Europeans first hit the Americas, there was no thought given to equal trade. They were just savages, after all. The members of our culture set about subjugating them like it was Holy work- reclaiming 'nature' to the plow. (syntax?) Their thoughts of conversion were primarily to pacify and domesticate the natives- not to bring equals into the fold. (Flock)

ah, now I see

the way that was worded was weird. Got the idea you were saying one of the important historical qualities of humanity was tied to a specific form of agriculture.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
The trend has been for our culture to expand, by trade or by conquest, and replace/exterminate the native way of life.

and it is damn ****ing effective!

Got the idea you were saying one of the important historical qualities of humanity was tied to a specific form of agriculture.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Quite the opposite, in fact. Most people consider ourselves (syntax works) ((members of our culture)) to be humanity, ignoring the fact that we are only one culture of millions of years of human existence.

its the "we" usage

for some reason, as I'm reading, it keeps jumping between "cultural ingroup" and "human species"

but I get what you are saying. Historical propaganda.

for some reason, as I'm reading, it keeps jumping between "cultural ingroup" and "human species"

Well, at this point roughly 99% of humanity is made up of members of our culture. That may be part of the problem. We denied them to begin with and now they are rare enough that they don't remind us very often- out of sight out of mind, right?

but I get what you are saying. Historical propaganda.

Originally posted by Mindship
Probably the best place to start. After all, why should the motivations of infinite consciousness be discernible to us?

Possibly, but in any case, that fits directly in line with the atheistic/agnostic line of thought that the 'why's' for the creation of the universe- including the existence of a God- are entirely pointless to debate, being that we do not, at the moment, have any proof indicating towards any correct 'why'.

Originally posted by Mindship
Depends. Some like the exercise.

Cool.

Originally posted by Mindship
Not sure what you're saying here. In any event, as I understand it, empirical science doesn't concern itself with "Why" to begin with.

My point is that the 'why's' for the creation of the universe- like God's own 'why' and motivation- simply cannot be proven or logically substantiated in any conceivable way.

Therefore, the 'why' is a concept of subjective faith. I simply believe in what we can insinuate with our current level of scientific, pragmatic proof- that we're simply the products of a random coincidence, without any definitive meaning or reason. The 'why' is only necessarily if we're the products of a conscious being- and I cannot believe that.

I have asked this question many times throughout my life and I have never gotten a “real” answer to it. I have heard a thing like God was lonely, it was created to test us, a creator creates and so on but every answer doesn’t make scene. If the universe was created to test us why would he need to create universe to test us, he is testing our sprit or soul that doesn’t have physical form so why would he need to give physical form to test the soul to see if we are a “good” person?

Originally posted by Da Pittman
I have asked this question many times throughout my life and I have never gotten a “real” answer to it. I have heard a thing like God was lonely, it was created to test us, a creator creates and so on but every answer doesn’t make scene. If the universe was created to test us why would he need to create universe to test us, he is testing our sprit or soul that doesn’t have physical form so why would he need to give physical form to test the soul to see if we are a “good” person?

There is no good answer to that question. It is like why does Santa Clause wear red? The only reason is because that is how he was created. Therefore, the answer to your question is, that is the way we created god.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no good answer to that question. It is like why does Santa Clause wear red? The only reason is because that is how he was created. Therefore, the answer to your question is, that is the way we created god.

Originally posted by Master Crimzon
My point is that the 'why's' for the creation of the universe- like God's own 'why' and motivation- simply cannot be proven or logically substantiated in any conceivable way.

Therefore, the 'why' is a concept of subjective faith.

Originally posted by Da Pittman
That is an easy question, it was the only color of cloth that Ms. Claus could get in stock at Wal-Mart that would cover his fat ass 😄 😛

So, Santa Cause has a time machine? 🙄

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, Santa Cause has a time machine? 🙄

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Well DUH, how do you think he gets around the world in just a day? 😉

You would think he could have had any color then. 😛

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
You would think he could have had any color then. 😛

Originally posted by Da Pittman
Ms. Claus only has a Winnebago and Santa has forbidden her going shopping with it any more after the Black Friday nightmare of 1920 😠

What an ars.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What an ars.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why do you assume there was a creation?

The Big Bang was simply a starting point, and there is mathematical models that suggest a contracting universe before the Big Bang. If there was no creation, then a reason for creation is not needed.

Why do you presume there was a big bang, just because matter is moving away doesn´t mean there was a big bang. Maybe the matter is running away from us cause were a planet destroying cancer.

The fact is NO ONE KNOWS for sure what is going on.

ALthough the latest "doughnut" universe is an interesting discovery, certainly asks questions about the big bang

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Why do you presume there was a big bang, just because matter is moving away doesn´t mean there was a big bang. Maybe the matter is running away from us cause were a planet destroying cancer.

The fact is NO ONE KNOWS for sure what is going on.

ALthough the latest "doughnut" universe is an interesting discovery, certainly asks questions about the big bang

EMB radiation is still the best evidence for the Big Bang.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
Why do you presume there was a big bang, just because matter is moving away doesn´t mean there was a big bang. Maybe the matter is running away from us cause were a planet destroying cancer.

The fact is NO ONE KNOWS for sure what is going on.

ALthough the latest "doughnut" universe is an interesting discovery, certainly asks questions about the big bang

I don't presume; I anticipate.

Originally posted by Mindship
Jeez. It's tough enough dealing with the issue of God's existence, let alone his motivation. 😉 Even the mystical texts say God's reasons for creation are forever unknowable.

Perhaps, but in order to analyze God's supposed moral traits (a la 'sanctity of life'😉, some sort of logical motivation for the creation of the universe is highly important. Indeed, I believe that question is very similar to the question of God's existence- there will never be proof pointing towards it, and thus any logical substantiation is based on faith; I cannot buy faith-based answers, and therefore thinking about the 'why's' for the universe is a pointless and futile exercise.

Originally posted by Bicnarok
'Why' has traditionally been the province of religion. Problems arise when religion tries to do science's job, or vice versa.

Why do you presume there was a big bang, just because matter is moving away doesn´t mean there was a big bang. Maybe the matter is running away from us cause were a planet destroying cancer.

The fact is NO ONE KNOWS for sure what is going on.

ALthough the latest "doughnut" universe is an interesting discovery, certainly asks questions about the big bang

Through dozens of years of research, the brightest minds upon the face of the world have used mathematical data and physical findings in order to create the advanced branch of physics; and in accordance with the discoveries of this branch, scientists have developed a theory regarding the 'Big Bang'. Is it full proof? No. But there are plenty of facts leading towards that conclusion, in addition to major scientific consensus.

There is no indication we're a 'planet destroying cancer' (that explanation doesn't even make sense, anyway). Science only advocates theories that are supported by facts, because these facts suggest that these theories are the 'correct' ones.