Colossus vs Venom

By the way, by stronger I mean 'best,' not actually 'strongest.' That would be Rhino.

As for Carnage being a better fighter, he's not, that's my point. He keeps getting his ass kicked. Faster? Yes. More abilities? Obviously. But not a better fighter. He's more haphazard and chaotic.

where does rhino come in???

I think Venom is virtually the strongest Spidey villain out there.

doc oc is even stronger than venom, spidey also fought dr doom, and he kicks total ass

Originally posted by wrathofachilles
You don't need to post pictures of them, I have all those issues. Venom was tortured when the entire 'Carnage Team' was together. In Chapter 14 he was getting his ass handed to him and Spidey had to save him. Plus I have to go anyway so I won't be here to see the pictures you posted *that I already have anyway* but I know you're only doing it to show off your new camera, so go ahead.

Besides, again, Venom absorbed Carnage's symbiote and added his strength to his own. Plus he beat the hell out of the Sinister Six, I think Venom is virtually the strongest Spidey villain out there.

Carnage was in a psychologically weakened state in that fight. For christ sakes he ran to a cemetary in order to dig up his mother...🙄

and Carnage was whipping on Venom until Spiderman webbed Carnage in the eyes. Carnage even lashed out at the end, but Black Cat came to the rescue with a kick to the back.

Good reference though...

Amazing Spiderman 362 WHILE both were in top physical and mental condition

Amazing SPiderman 363 STILL both in top form

Originally posted by Kontraz
also, in max carnage, carnage was still "young" in terms of symbiotes, and when they are first born, they are at their physical peak. Since then his power has declined drastically and he and venom are MUCH closer in battles now (they both win about half the time now).

do you actually have ANY proof that symbiotes are at their peak when they are young? Because what it sounds like...is your opinion...which is far from a fact.

and by all means. please name a couple of battles where Venom has successfully laid a whooping on Carnage without some sort of outside interference...

spidey also fought dr doom, and he kicks total ass

Carnage is stronger then I thought...

Venom being able to absorb Carnage is poor writing...

That's like comparing Ultimate Carnage to the Tsunami version of Venom.

the 2nd picture is from their first meeting ever...and Carnage was the one tearing up Venom.

They just dull Carnage up to make it more of a match up...Interestin how Venom has never gotten weaker, yet Carnage has...

don'tcha think?

don'tcha think?

Originally posted by Linkalicious
Carnage was in a psychologically weakened state in that fight. For christ sakes he ran to a cemetary in order to dig up his mother...🙄

and Carnage was whipping on Venom until Spiderman webbed Carnage in the eyes. Carnage even lashed out at the end, but Black Cat came to the rescue with a kick to the back.

Good reference though...

Amazing Spiderman 362 WHILE both were in top physical and mental condition

Amazing SPiderman 363 STILL both in top form

do you actually have ANY proof that symbiotes are at their peak when they are young? Because what it sounds like...is your opinion...which is far from a fact.

and by all means. please name a couple of battles where Venom has successfully laid a whooping on Carnage without some sort of outside interference...

the venom vs carnage series. the first fight, carnage won. 2nd fight, venom won. And throughout the issues, there are several mentionings of how symbiotes are strongest when they are young.

one time i thought

First of all, Spidey got his ass handed to him by Doom, and Doom's not really a Spider-Man villain. Secondly, Doctor Octopus is not stronger than Venom. Not even close. As for Green Goblin, that would be a very interesting battle. I bet you the writers have thought of that but they're not sure to whom to give the win so that's why they've avoided it. Venom has fought practically all of Spidey's major villains except the Goblins, probably for the very reason the writers don't know who to pick.

The stronger when they're young theory has no actual valid fact, but it is an educated theory because that is how they are represented. It hasn't been stated that it's the case, but it has been written in a way where it could be construed in that manner. Yeah Carnage was in a weakened psychological state, but he was in top physical shape. He's always nuts! He was just slightly moreso this time. If you think about it objectively, Venom usually has the upper hand in their battles where Spider-Man is NOT there. He was losing in 362, losing in most of the Maximum Carnage storyline, winning in Spider-Man Unlimited 2 while Spidey wasn't around, and in the Venom limited series. Something about Spider-Man seems to get in Venom's way I think. That's not just my view, that's actually how it seems to be written, purposefully or not.
Anyway, poor writing or not *most writing nowadays is poor writing* it happened, and Venom is superior to Carnage now.

Venom has fought practically all of Spidey's major villains except the Goblins, probably for the very reason the writers don't know who to pick.

honestly not really unless it were Venom Vs. The Green Goblins and The Hobgoblins and Demogoblin

Colossus is stronger and more durable, but Venom is more agile and versatile, who takes it?

err colossus would crush venom like a bug

err venom would not just stand there to be crushed

Venom is faster than Colossus so C might not score any decent hits.... V is also a lot nastier and very resourceful.... i think he could take it

ok, well lets say theyre fighting in an arena...face to face to eachother, opposite corners, no resources....no way to escape....yea when colossus gets his hands on venom, hes dead

Colossus won't touch venom, Venom is probably on par or even faster than spiderman.